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Phat
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Message 89 of 174 (913808)
12-06-2023 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Dredge
12-06-2023 1:23 PM


Pope On A Rope
Dredge writes:
If this life is all there is, morality is meaningless.
I think what you mean is that ultimate purpose is meaningless. Is it so bad to live in the moment? If eternal life did not exist, would it be any more appropriate for me to go over to Tannys house and wreck all of his dragonfly slides? Or step on his face? Or he step on mine?
Let me ask you this.
If the world tore down every Cathedral, wrecked every statue, and arrested Pope Francis, would God be any less real?

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Phat
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Message 90 of 174 (913809)
12-06-2023 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by AZPaul3
12-06-2023 4:08 PM


Re: Choose This Day
AZ responding to Dredge writes:
...our soul is still slated for oblivion like everyone else's.
Absence of evidence does not equate to evidence of absence. I think that what makes you so anti is the behavior of humans who claim to be chosen. Those wretched priests never voted against the war. You suffered the consequences. Yes, evil exists. We humans chose it. Not just the Priests either.
AZ writes:
The Majik Cookies didn't do anything.
Perhaps he needs to try magic mushrooms! I hear that LSD therapy (and Psilocybin mushrooms) turn grouchy delusional people into more open-minded rational yet creative souls.

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Phat
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Message 93 of 174 (913813)
12-06-2023 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by AZPaul3
12-06-2023 6:38 PM


Reality Is Not Always Objectively Evidenced
What's ironic is that your way of thinking is also prophetic. The only problem is that you and your "reality-based thinking" will pave the way for the man of sin. Of course, I would only be lying if I knew that none of this was true. And I don't know that.
You have no facts that Jesus and the antichrist are myths. The only evidence that you show me is that you have strong feelings against these teachings.
Which is why I rarely discuss them with you. At the end of the day (or of time, perhaps) one of us (or maybe both of us) will be proven wrong.
There is no proof at the current time.
If you would prefer to accept the reality that our species will die out through purely natural (and theoretically preventable) ways, knock yourself out. Your alternative thinking is no more attractive nor persuasive than my "fables from days of yore."
This is fact with a great big rock of hate for religion and religious thought devoid of reality.
And yet you cannot prove it. You have no corner on the market of reality. Your scientific AI sharp minds can not gather any evidence that the mythicists themselves don't lie about. You define your reality. Maybe someday you could stroll into the Temple and declare yourself (and humans) as the I AM, at which time you could outlaw all public displays of religion as harmful to humans. Let's see how that world would play out!

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Phat
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Message 104 of 174 (913884)
12-11-2023 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Dredge
12-05-2023 10:54 AM


Re: Choose This Day
Dredge writes:
If God said to me, "I'll give you 80 years of life, but that's all. There is no after-life", I would consider that 80 years of life just as meaningless as if there were no God at all. A finite life is meaningless; life has meaning only if it's eternal.
So in other words, you place a small value in the present moment. You are apparently miserable or unfulfilled today but would only claim to be happy if God were with you for another 1000 years! A wise saying applies to this.
The Past is History.
The Future is a Mystery.
All that anyone has is the Present Moment. And to be Present. If you don't walk with Jesus in the present, you won't be any close in eternity.

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Message 105 of 174 (913885)
12-11-2023 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Tanypteryx
12-09-2023 11:44 AM


Re: Choose This Day
While I dont think that most people want just any god in their lives or church or religion, I think that most people would accept Jesus in their lives. As Percy and others have said before, sure we would if we were certain. Show us the evidence.
And I can respect that.

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Message 108 of 174 (913899)
12-12-2023 5:40 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Tangle
12-12-2023 3:18 AM


Re: Choose This Day
I don't know about Dredge's god, but my version hides from you on purpose because he wants you to strive harder to find him rather than being arrogant enough to dismiss him and move on.
My God won't give up on you, though.

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Phat
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Message 112 of 174 (913904)
12-12-2023 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Tangle
12-12-2023 7:15 AM


Re: Choose This Day
Fair enough, Tangle. You do know how to show me a rational perspective. I'm not going to misrepresent my God by hating on atheists...especially you. You actually might be more fun to go fishing with than some of the Christians I know!

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Message 113 of 174 (913905)
12-12-2023 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Percy
12-12-2023 11:02 AM


Integrity Goes Further Than Anecdotes
Percy writes:
My Teddy Bear (yes, I still have him) won't give up on you, either.
You actually think that Teddy Bear is more real than my God?(Jesus)
Dredge gets mad that nobody will believe his conversion experience, but I had one too and I quite expect nobody to believe it.
If the peanut gallery has taught me one thing, it is that my integrity is more important than some fanciful tale that I recite about the miracles I've seen.
Percy writes:
What is the difference between a hidden God who never provides any hint of his existence and a God who doesn't exist?
Ummmmm changed lives? I mean, isn't that the whole idea and reason for encouraging others and sharing the Gospel?(Good News) Dwise1 is not a believer but he uses stories and anecdotes of his personal experience to hopefully teach others.
He does not consciously try to teach, but his honesty and integrity go a long way.
I would assert that integrity is wholeness and not double-mindedness and that wholeness is best achieved through communion. Life is too short to hate on everyone.

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Phat
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Message 116 of 174 (913911)
12-12-2023 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Tangle
12-12-2023 1:12 PM


Re: Integrity Goes Further Than Anecdotes
Tangle writes:
I don't get why you can't see this. After all, millions believe in a different god as firmly if not more firmly than you believe in the Jesus guy. You know they're wrong, just like we know that you're wrong. No difference at all.
Because Jesus is not a relative God. Jesus is not the same "spirit" that Vishnu is. There is only One Spirit. He has many names. Wonderful Counselor. Mighty God. Prince Of Peace.(If Jesus were born today He would be born in the rubble of Gaza) Jesus is, was, and always will be God's character. Accept no substitutes. Especially the collective known as humanity. Because humanity needs Jesus. Not religion.

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Phat
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Message 123 of 174 (913939)
12-14-2023 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Percy
12-13-2023 4:58 PM


Re: Pope On A Rope
Percy, addressing Dredge writes:
You're only off by one about the number of fake churches.
Are you saying there are no real churches? A church is represented by its members...not its fancy buildings or men wearing silly hats. Dredge is not showing a Christlike attitude towards other churches or atheists. Blame him, not his church. They likely have some people of character. I know of several.

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