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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Dredge writes: I think what you mean is that ultimate purpose is meaningless. Is it so bad to live in the moment? If eternal life did not exist, would it be any more appropriate for me to go over to Tannys house and wreck all of his dragonfly slides? Or step on his face? Or he step on mine? If this life is all there is, morality is meaningless. Let me ask you this. If the world tore down every Cathedral, wrecked every statue, and arrested Pope Francis, would God be any less real?
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
AZ responding to Dredge writes: Absence of evidence does not equate to evidence of absence. I think that what makes you so anti is the behavior of humans who claim to be chosen. Those wretched priests never voted against the war. You suffered the consequences. Yes, evil exists. We humans chose it. Not just the Priests either.
...our soul is still slated for oblivion like everyone else's.AZ writes: Perhaps he needs to try magic mushrooms! I hear that LSD therapy (and Psilocybin mushrooms) turn grouchy delusional people into more open-minded rational yet creative souls.
The Majik Cookies didn't do anything.
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
What's ironic is that your way of thinking is also prophetic. The only problem is that you and your "reality-based thinking" will pave the way for the man of sin. Of course, I would only be lying if I knew that none of this was true. And I don't know that.
You have no facts that Jesus and the antichrist are myths. The only evidence that you show me is that you have strong feelings against these teachings. Which is why I rarely discuss them with you. At the end of the day (or of time, perhaps) one of us (or maybe both of us) will be proven wrong. There is no proof at the current time. If you would prefer to accept the reality that our species will die out through purely natural (and theoretically preventable) ways, knock yourself out. Your alternative thinking is no more attractive nor persuasive than my "fables from days of yore."
This is fact with a great big rock of hate for religion and religious thought devoid of reality. And yet you cannot prove it. You have no corner on the market of reality. Your scientific AI sharp minds can not gather any evidence that the mythicists themselves don't lie about. You define your reality. Maybe someday you could stroll into the Temple and declare yourself (and humans) as the I AM, at which time you could outlaw all public displays of religion as harmful to humans. Let's see how that world would play out!
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Dredge writes: So in other words, you place a small value in the present moment. You are apparently miserable or unfulfilled today but would only claim to be happy if God were with you for another 1000 years! A wise saying applies to this. If God said to me, "I'll give you 80 years of life, but that's all. There is no after-life", I would consider that 80 years of life just as meaningless as if there were no God at all. A finite life is meaningless; life has meaning only if it's eternal. The Past is History. The Future is a Mystery. All that anyone has is the Present Moment. And to be Present. If you don't walk with Jesus in the present, you won't be any close in eternity.
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
While I dont think that most people want just any god in their lives or church or religion, I think that most people would accept Jesus in their lives. As Percy and others have said before, sure we would if we were certain. Show us the evidence.
And I can respect that.
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
I don't know about Dredge's god, but my version hides from you on purpose because he wants you to strive harder to find him rather than being arrogant enough to dismiss him and move on.
My God won't give up on you, though.
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Fair enough, Tangle. You do know how to show me a rational perspective. I'm not going to misrepresent my God by hating on atheists...especially you. You actually might be more fun to go fishing with than some of the Christians I know!
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Percy writes: My Teddy Bear (yes, I still have him) won't give up on you, either. You actually think that Teddy Bear is more real than my God?(Jesus) Dredge gets mad that nobody will believe his conversion experience, but I had one too and I quite expect nobody to believe it. If the peanut gallery has taught me one thing, it is that my integrity is more important than some fanciful tale that I recite about the miracles I've seen.
Percy writes: What is the difference between a hidden God who never provides any hint of his existence and a God who doesn't exist? Ummmmm changed lives? I mean, isn't that the whole idea and reason for encouraging others and sharing the Gospel?(Good News) Dwise1 is not a believer but he uses stories and anecdotes of his personal experience to hopefully teach others. He does not consciously try to teach, but his honesty and integrity go a long way. I would assert that integrity is wholeness and not double-mindedness and that wholeness is best achieved through communion. Life is too short to hate on everyone.
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Tangle writes: Because Jesus is not a relative God. Jesus is not the same "spirit" that Vishnu is. There is only One Spirit. He has many names. Wonderful Counselor. Mighty God. Prince Of Peace.(If Jesus were born today He would be born in the rubble of Gaza) Jesus is, was, and always will be God's character. Accept no substitutes. Especially the collective known as humanity. Because humanity needs Jesus. Not religion.
I don't get why you can't see this. After all, millions believe in a different god as firmly if not more firmly than you believe in the Jesus guy. You know they're wrong, just like we know that you're wrong. No difference at all.
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Percy, addressing Dredge writes: Are you saying there are no real churches? A church is represented by its members...not its fancy buildings or men wearing silly hats. Dredge is not showing a Christlike attitude towards other churches or atheists. Blame him, not his church. They likely have some people of character. I know of several.
You're only off by one about the number of fake churches.
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