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Tangle
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Message 165 of 174 (914053)
12-22-2023 6:49 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Dredge
12-21-2023 8:51 PM


Re: Pope On A Rope
Dredge writes:
That's not my definition. I didn't say any Christian who's sinned is not a Christian - I said any so-called Christian who leads a life of crime (ie, a career criminal) is not a Christian.
Nope you said
Dredge:
All career criminals and serial killers are atheists,
I accept that you've probably now seen the stupidity of that statement and want to defend a different version of it. Very wise.
So now it's only career criminals that are not Christians. Well fairly obviously career criminals aren't all Christians anyway - atheists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus etc So I guess we can agree on that.
And I think you're agreeing now that people that call themselves Christians that have committed a serious offence but maybe only once in their lives can be Christians? Regardless of the seriousness of the offence? Maybe a someone who kills her husband after a lifetime of abuse perhaps?
How about the homeless alcoholics and drug addicts that steal to eat and because they're really crap at it find themselves in prison very regularly?
Would you include Robin Hood? How about that guy who lost his temper smashed up the temple and offended against society so much that the authorities had to crucify him?
And that God of yours, the serial mass murderer and genocide specialist? The guy that's killed every living thing on earth since the beginning of time?
Sorry Chuck, you can make up your own definitions of what you believe to be a Christian, but as you're somebody that doesn't accept protestants as Christians, no-one's listening to you. You're just another bat-shit crazy fundie in a world of your own.

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Message 173 of 174 (914090)
12-24-2023 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Dredge
12-23-2023 10:54 PM


Re: Pope On A Rope
Dredge writes:
In Catholicism, "deadly" sins are called Mortal sins; sins that are "not deadly" are called Venial sins.
Medieval Catholics like you are hilarious, you have to invent sins to be punished for. There are no Catholics in heaven - not a single one.
In the Bible, St. Paul gives us a list of grave sins. He states that anyone who commits these sins shall not enter the kingdom of God.
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God” (Galatians 5:19-20).
Paul also tells the Corinthians, “know you no that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards nor railers, nor extortioners shall possess the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). These sins constitute grave matter, and if they are committed willingly and with full consent, constitute mortal sin.
The Church also tells us that the sins of anger, blasphemy, envy, hatred, malice, murder, neglect of Sunday obligation, sins against faith (incredulity against God or heresy), sins against hope (obstinate despair in the hope for salvation and/or presumption that oneself can live without God or be saved by one’s own power) and sins against love (indifference towards charity, ingratitude, and/or hatred of God) also constitute grave matter. This list of grave sins, is based on Jesus Christ’s interpretation of the gravity of the Ten Commandments. Grave sins can be classed as sins against God, neighbor and self, and can further be divided into carnal and spiritual sins (CCC 1853).
Have you ever deliberately revelled Dredge? Ever emulated?
There's a bigger list here, just in case you've missed confessing any. Don't want you to get caught out. Gotta love that missing mass on Sunday is right there next to murder.
List of Mortal Sins Every Catholic Should Know – St. Mary of the Seven Dolors

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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