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Author Topic:   Morality without God is impossible
Omnivorous
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Message 433 of 472 (914245)
01-04-2024 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 431 by mike the wiz
01-04-2024 4:28 PM


Mike writes:
What I have argued is that it seems like there is no precedent to argue anything morally if you are an evolutionist that doesn't believe God exists. All arguments for morals would just represent relative opinions.
Yet it is religious beliefs in which we find the greater display of fractured opinions. Human morality, by and large, remains fairly consistent everywhere: it is humane at its core.
In contrast, a thousand prophets each claim only their God is absolute, and their God requires an arcane suite of rules and behaviors, some of them cruel, many mutually contradictory.
We require no absolutes to be moral beings; we need only be seeking the good. We won't formulate perfect moral codes or perfectly follow the ones we devise. Still, our morality will be more grounded than what we get pulling one God out of a thousand hats.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 458 of 472 (914293)
01-07-2024 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 457 by kjsimons
01-07-2024 3:07 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Given free rein, my brain turns almost every ambient noise into music: factory, crowded room, big ac plus traffic -- anything, really. Similarly, random folds in bedding, curtains, clothing, etc., become faces.
Pereidolia, visual and auditory, apophenia's powerful sense of significant connection between random things (the heart of conspiracies?), all lifelong events for me. I have to actively choose to let it happen now, but in a cavernous old school truck factory 50 years ago, the score was symphonic; as a kid, the faces in my dark bedroom were nightmarish.
These are among the reasons I am deeply skeptical of visions and revelations. I know the brain--my brain--is wired for them. I know what they are.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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