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Author Topic:   Morality without God is impossible
ICANT
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Message 419 of 472 (914205)
01-02-2024 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 416 by Percy
10-08-2023 10:04 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Keep in mind that confidence in the verification can never reach 100%.
Wouldn't that be determined on what the subject you are referring too is?
If the question is does God exist you will have 100% verification when you die if He actually exists. Because you will meet Him.
If He does not exist you will never know because you will just be dead.
Hope you had a happy holiday.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 422 of 472 (914209)
01-03-2024 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 421 by Tangle
01-03-2024 10:37 AM


Re: A Universal Morality
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
humans have the evolved traits of consciousness and empathy which promote beneficial group behaviours.
If we have evolved to the point we have a conscious, why doesn't everyone have one?
There are people who will stop at nothing to get their way or what they want.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 423 of 472 (914210)
01-03-2024 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 420 by Percy
01-03-2024 9:41 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
How is this statement any different than, "If leprechauns do not exist you will never know because you will just be dead"? The meaninglessness of the statement must be obvious. Determinations of what likely exists can only be made while alive.
Did the leprechauns you talking about create the universe and everything in it. Including humans in his image and likeness and make all the promises God made. If so yes I would meet him and spend eternity with him.
If God exists He created you in His image and since he is an eternal being so are you. And you will meet Him one day when you die. If He does not exist you don't have anything to worry about. But you are entitled to believe whatever you choose to believe.
God Bless,
‚Äč

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 427 of 472 (914217)
01-04-2024 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 426 by Percy
01-04-2024 8:04 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
And you know this how?
We talk every day.
Percy writes:
I choose to believe that which is based upon evidence.
If you did you would not believe in the BBT as it has no source for the material to build the universe. The theory is based on assumptions according to Stephen Hawking.
It has to be assumed that the universe was contained in a very small ultra-compact, super-dense state at a finite time in the past that began to expand. There is no thing outside of the universe as it is self-contained.
If there is no existence outside of that little speck of a universe where did it come from?
You come up with a way that little super-dense speck could begin to exist in non existence. When you do that you can tell me what you believe is based on evidence and I will believe you.
Same thing goes for evolution. You come up with a way no life form can produce a life form and that would be evidence. Life had to come from somewhere.
You are in the same boat that I am, you think I believe in an imaginary God.
I think you believe in imaginary evidence. Which is based on assumptions.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Posts: 6769
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Message 434 of 472 (914246)
01-04-2024 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 430 by Percy
01-04-2024 1:53 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
And you know this how?
He answers me.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Posts: 6769
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Message 437 of 472 (914254)
01-05-2024 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 436 by Percy
01-05-2024 7:03 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
And you know this how?
I hear Him and see the results.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Posts: 6769
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Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 441 of 472 (914262)
01-05-2024 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by Tangle
01-05-2024 11:17 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
What do you mean 'you hear Him'?
You are talking to me and I hear you.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Posts: 6769
From: SSC
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Message 444 of 472 (914268)
01-06-2024 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 443 by Percy
01-05-2024 5:23 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Actually, Tangle is writing to you and you are reading his words. Obviously that's not what you mean
Why not don't you get science information that way.
Percy writes:
If Tangle were to talk to you in person or by phone, sound waves would reach your ear. Obviously that's not what you mean, either.
I probably would not hear him as I only have 15% hearing in base tones. I read my phone conversations.
Percy writes:
So what do you mean 'you hear Him'? Why is this such a difficult question for you to answer?
Its not a problem I hear him just as good as I hear you.
If I have a problem I can't solve I tell Him I need help and the Holy Spirit gives me the answer.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 108 days)
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 445 of 472 (914269)
01-06-2024 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 442 by Tangle
01-05-2024 3:41 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
Why are you so shy all of a sudden?
I am not shy and never have been.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 447 of 472 (914271)
01-06-2024 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by Tangle
01-05-2024 11:17 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
How come you're prepared to spend pages on biblical analysis but no more than a handful of not very useful words on this?
Tangle writes:
What do you mean 'you hear Him'?
What else do you want me to say?
God gave me the Holy Spirit to lead me and guide me in all truth the moment I received His free full pardon and became His child.
John writes:
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
I know you can't understand what I am saying because to you it is foolishness.
God writes:
to me in 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The natural man cannot understand spiritual things.
Thats the best I can do Tangle.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 448 of 472 (914272)
01-07-2024 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 446 by Theodoric
01-06-2024 11:12 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Theodoric,
Theodoric writes:
Can you record the conversations or forward the text of what he tells you? Is English their preferred language? Has anyone else been there at the time this communication happens?
What good would that do you and everybody there except a very few would say they were faked.
But for me to hear Him He has to put the sounds in my eyes or ears which don't work properly. I have 15% hearing in the low range. My cochlea has been damaged by running heavy equipment that made really loud exhaust noises about 5 feet from my head back in the 50's when there was no OSHA to protect us. So the signals to the auditory cortex in the brain turns into noise instead of understandable sounds. There is a range where I can hear certain voices in that range but only15% of those. As long as you are standing or sitting where I can see the entire lips or half of the lips and you open your mouth when you talk I can understand everything you say, using what I do hear and reading your lips. So when the Holy Spirit talks to me he sends the signals to my brain or speaks to me through His Word.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 108 days)
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 449 of 472 (914273)
01-07-2024 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 446 by Theodoric
01-06-2024 11:12 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Theodoric,
Theodoric writes:
Can you record the conversations or forward the text of what he tells you? Is English their preferred language? Has anyone else been there at the time this communication happens?
What good would that do you and everybody there except a very few would say they were faked.
But for me to hear Him He has to put the sounds in my eyes or ears which don't work properly. I have 15% hearing in the low range. My cochlea has been damaged by running heavy equipment that made really loud exhaust noises about 5 feet from my head back in the 50's when there was no OSHA to protect us. So the signals to the auditory cortex in the brain turns into noise instead of understandable sounds. There is a range where I can hear certain voices in that range but only15% of those. As long as you are standing or sitting where I can see the entire lips or half of the lips and you open your mouth when you talk I can understand everything you say, using what I do hear and reading your lips. So when the Holy Spirit talks to me he sends the signals to my brain or speaks to me through His Word.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 108 days)
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 450 of 472 (914274)
01-07-2024 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 439 by Percy
01-05-2024 11:10 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
And you know this how?
It was on the line above your question.
"I see the results".
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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