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Author Topic:   Morality without God is impossible
Percy
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Message 436 of 472 (914252)
01-05-2024 7:03 AM
Reply to: Message 434 by ICANT
01-04-2024 10:03 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
ICANT in Message 434 writes:
Percy writes:
ICANT in Message 427 writes:
Percy writes:
ICANT in Message 423 writes:
If God exists He created you in His image and since he is an eternal being so are you. And you will meet Him one day when you die.
And you know this how?
We talk every day.
And you know this how?
He answers me.
And you know this how?
Leprechauns Bless
--Percy

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 134 days)
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 437 of 472 (914254)
01-05-2024 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 436 by Percy
01-05-2024 7:03 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
And you know this how?
I hear Him and see the results.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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dwise1
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Message 438 of 472 (914258)
01-05-2024 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 437 by ICANT
01-05-2024 10:18 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
I hear Him and see the results.
Which is as we feared for you.
Hearing voices is a red flag signaling mental problems. If you are not on meds, then seek professional help. If you have stopped taking your meds, then resume taking them. If you are taking your meds and still hear voices, then report that to your doctor so that he can change your meds to something more effective.
This past month, Brian "Mr. Deity" Dalton released a short series of The Way of the Mister videos, "WOTM: How To Discern Between God's Voice And Your Own" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaYfngrV3fI). Would be worth watching.
Malcolm's Brother Reese warning their younger brother, Dewey, based on his own personal experience:
Don't do what the voices tell you. THEY'RE NOT YOUR FRIEND!
 

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Percy
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Message 439 of 472 (914259)
01-05-2024 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 437 by ICANT
01-05-2024 10:18 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
ICANT in Message 437 writes:
Percy writes:
ICANT in Message 434 writes:
Percy writes:
ICANT in Message 427 writes:
Percy writes:
ICANT in Message 423 writes:
If God exists He created you in His image and since he is an eternal being so are you. And you will meet Him one day when you die.
And you know this how?
We talk every day.
And you know this how?
He answers me.
And you know this how?
I hear Him and see the results.
And you know this how?
Leprechauns Bless
--Percy

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Tangle
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Message 440 of 472 (914260)
01-05-2024 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 437 by ICANT
01-05-2024 10:18 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
ICANT writes:
I hear Him and see the results.
How come you're prepared to spend pages on biblical analysis but no more than a handful of not very useful words on this?
What do you mean 'you hear Him'?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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ICANT
Member (Idle past 134 days)
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 441 of 472 (914262)
01-05-2024 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by Tangle
01-05-2024 11:17 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
What do you mean 'you hear Him'?
You are talking to me and I hear you.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Tangle
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Message 442 of 472 (914263)
01-05-2024 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 441 by ICANT
01-05-2024 2:24 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Why are you so shy all of a sudden?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Percy
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From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 3.6


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Message 443 of 472 (914264)
01-05-2024 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 441 by ICANT
01-05-2024 2:24 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
ICANT in Message 441 writes:
Tangle writes:
What do you mean 'you hear Him'?
You are talking to me and I hear you.
Actually, Tangle is writing to you and you are reading his words. Obviously that's not what you mean
If Tangle were to talk to you in person or by phone, sound waves would reach your ear. Obviously that's not what you mean, either.
So what do you mean 'you hear Him'? Why is this such a difficult question for you to answer?
--Percy

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 134 days)
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 444 of 472 (914268)
01-06-2024 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 443 by Percy
01-05-2024 5:23 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Actually, Tangle is writing to you and you are reading his words. Obviously that's not what you mean
Why not don't you get science information that way.
Percy writes:
If Tangle were to talk to you in person or by phone, sound waves would reach your ear. Obviously that's not what you mean, either.
I probably would not hear him as I only have 15% hearing in base tones. I read my phone conversations.
Percy writes:
So what do you mean 'you hear Him'? Why is this such a difficult question for you to answer?
Its not a problem I hear him just as good as I hear you.
If I have a problem I can't solve I tell Him I need help and the Holy Spirit gives me the answer.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 134 days)
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 445 of 472 (914269)
01-06-2024 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 442 by Tangle
01-05-2024 3:41 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
Why are you so shy all of a sudden?
I am not shy and never have been.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Theodoric
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Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 446 of 472 (914270)
01-06-2024 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 444 by ICANT
01-06-2024 10:58 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Can you record the conversations or forward the text of what he tells you? Is English their preferred language? Has anyone else been there at the time this communication happens?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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ICANT
Member (Idle past 134 days)
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 447 of 472 (914271)
01-06-2024 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by Tangle
01-05-2024 11:17 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
How come you're prepared to spend pages on biblical analysis but no more than a handful of not very useful words on this?
Tangle writes:
What do you mean 'you hear Him'?
What else do you want me to say?
God gave me the Holy Spirit to lead me and guide me in all truth the moment I received His free full pardon and became His child.
John writes:
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
I know you can't understand what I am saying because to you it is foolishness.
God writes:
to me in 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The natural man cannot understand spiritual things.
Thats the best I can do Tangle.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 134 days)
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 448 of 472 (914272)
01-07-2024 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 446 by Theodoric
01-06-2024 11:12 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Theodoric,
Theodoric writes:
Can you record the conversations or forward the text of what he tells you? Is English their preferred language? Has anyone else been there at the time this communication happens?
What good would that do you and everybody there except a very few would say they were faked.
But for me to hear Him He has to put the sounds in my eyes or ears which don't work properly. I have 15% hearing in the low range. My cochlea has been damaged by running heavy equipment that made really loud exhaust noises about 5 feet from my head back in the 50's when there was no OSHA to protect us. So the signals to the auditory cortex in the brain turns into noise instead of understandable sounds. There is a range where I can hear certain voices in that range but only15% of those. As long as you are standing or sitting where I can see the entire lips or half of the lips and you open your mouth when you talk I can understand everything you say, using what I do hear and reading your lips. So when the Holy Spirit talks to me he sends the signals to my brain or speaks to me through His Word.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 134 days)
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 449 of 472 (914273)
01-07-2024 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 446 by Theodoric
01-06-2024 11:12 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Theodoric,
Theodoric writes:
Can you record the conversations or forward the text of what he tells you? Is English their preferred language? Has anyone else been there at the time this communication happens?
What good would that do you and everybody there except a very few would say they were faked.
But for me to hear Him He has to put the sounds in my eyes or ears which don't work properly. I have 15% hearing in the low range. My cochlea has been damaged by running heavy equipment that made really loud exhaust noises about 5 feet from my head back in the 50's when there was no OSHA to protect us. So the signals to the auditory cortex in the brain turns into noise instead of understandable sounds. There is a range where I can hear certain voices in that range but only15% of those. As long as you are standing or sitting where I can see the entire lips or half of the lips and you open your mouth when you talk I can understand everything you say, using what I do hear and reading your lips. So when the Holy Spirit talks to me he sends the signals to my brain or speaks to me through His Word.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 134 days)
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 450 of 472 (914274)
01-07-2024 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 439 by Percy
01-05-2024 11:10 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
And you know this how?
It was on the line above your question.
"I see the results".
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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