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Author Topic:   Morality without God is impossible
Theodoric
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Message 314 of 472 (912646)
09-21-2023 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 308 by Tanypteryx
09-20-2023 6:20 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Yeah. A no-brainer. I would put my morals up against any Christian on this site. Am I perfect? No. But morally I am pretty damn solid.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 326 of 472 (912673)
09-23-2023 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 318 by Phat
09-22-2023 3:19 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
So please tell us the good things of the pre-enlightenment period.
Also, please define what you mean by modern-day liberalism.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 327 of 472 (912674)
09-23-2023 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 325 by Tangle
09-23-2023 4:55 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
GDR won't bother reading or understanding. He will come back to this again in 6 months as if it is a new argument.
Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 340 of 472 (912717)
09-24-2023 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 329 by GDR
09-23-2023 11:06 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Slavery was not the norm 2,000 years ago. That is a eurocentric and Judeo-Christian-centric view of history. Slavery is a complex term. It entails many different situations. Many that we cannot understand as we are in a totally different socio-economic era. To compare ideals and morals across millennia is a fool's errand.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 347 of 472 (912740)
09-27-2023 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by GDR
09-27-2023 6:52 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Define materialist.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 375 of 472 (912808)
10-01-2023 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 369 by GDR
09-30-2023 5:18 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
I can't see that you can classify everything in the Bible as mythological. \
Well, it isn't historical so what else would you call it?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 388 of 472 (912832)
10-02-2023 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by Percy
10-02-2023 9:34 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Just because a book includes a historical event does not mean it us not mythology or fiction.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 408 of 472 (912885)
10-05-2023 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 406 by Phat
10-05-2023 7:34 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
This response is not the flex you seem to think it is. It even exposes your "beliefs" and "ideas" as pure delusion.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 424 of 472 (914211)
01-03-2024 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 422 by ICANT
01-03-2024 2:05 PM


Re: A Universal Morality
I don't think you understand what he is saying.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 429 of 472 (914221)
01-04-2024 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 428 by Tangle
01-04-2024 10:42 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Unverifiable bullshit

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 446 of 472 (914270)
01-06-2024 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 444 by ICANT
01-06-2024 10:58 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Can you record the conversations or forward the text of what he tells you? Is English their preferred language? Has anyone else been there at the time this communication happens?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 455 of 472 (914288)
01-07-2024 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 448 by ICANT
01-07-2024 12:31 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
So either hallucinations or wishful thinking. If there are no means by which it can be measured, it did not happen. If something happens it must leave some sort of evidence. Hitchens's Razor quoted below in my signature is appropriate here.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 456 of 472 (914289)
01-07-2024 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 454 by kjsimons
01-07-2024 8:42 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
I have hearing loss. I imagine some of it might be similar to phantom limbs if amputees.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 472 of 472 (917543)
04-09-2024 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 470 by Admin
04-09-2024 5:44 PM


Re: Moderator Comment
hilarious pic.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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