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Author Topic:   The “Real Miracle Man” in the news again.
PaulK
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Message 1 of 4 (914294)
01-08-2024 1:16 AM


Remember this thread? A Modern Day Miracle Man - Establishes the Supernatural Realm
TB Joshua died in 2021, but the evidence is coming out - despite his church’s efforts to suppress it. TB Joshua: Megachurch leader raped and tortured worshippers, BBC finds
Disturbing reading.

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Message 2 of 4 (914394)
01-14-2024 2:06 AM
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…and how he faked miracles
BBC
I wasn’t convinced by the faith healing claims the first time - because it is an area rife with fraud. I was right.
Bribery, fake medical certificates and secretly administering medication are among the techniques listed.
I do think that the “brainwashing” claim is a bit of an exaggeration - not all psychological manipulation deserves that label.

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Message 3 of 4 (914691)
01-29-2024 3:46 PM
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01-14-2024 2:06 AM


Re: …and how he faked miracles
I was never fully convinced that TB Joshua was genuine, though I do believe that people can and do harbor other spirits at times. I have even prayed and tested this myself. A woman came into the store high on something and was muttering quietly to herself. She was in self-checkout trying to steal and seemed clearly confused. I was over twenty feet from her and quietly said a prayer asking the Lord to help that confused and addicted woman. I then quietly added "And if any spirits are oppressing her I command them to come out and leave this woman in Jesus' name." At that exact moment, she began shouting at the air around her, cussing up a storm! It took me by surprise, but I suppose that a skeptic would say it was a coincidental reaction to her mental state at that moment. Still, I find it more than a coincidence that she was observed for ten minutes showing no such behavior...by any of us. She then rapidly left the store, looking around as if to confont whatever it was that confronted her.(or more accurately, IT) She was simply another human no better or worse than myself who struggled with addictions and mental issues. Skeptics deny that a spiritual realm exists as they have never had any objective evidence. I have my own beliefs.
TD Joshua was accused of being an occultist by the mainline churches in Africa, and it is quite possible that he was, though the love of money has seduced many a preacher.

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01-29-2024 3:53 PM
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01-29-2024 3:46 PM


Re: …and how he faked miracles
T B Joshua was a corrupt fraud, and nothing more.
As for your little anecdote, I’d say that mentally ill people can go off like that. I very much doubt that your little jntervention helped her in the least.
(Maybe a serious case of Tourette’s to me. Incurable.)

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