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Phat
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Message 271 of 377 (914833)
02-05-2024 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by PaulK
01-17-2024 8:35 AM


Re: World War III is Nearly Inevitable
PaulK writes:
Doing your own research is fine if you are prepared to - and able to - critically evaluate your sources. People who can’t or won’t (remembering a former member) should be prepared to make serious mistakes.
I have intended to comb through the transcripts, find some quotes that resonate, and defend my acceptance of these quotes.
I think it is good for me to describe what I believe (politically) in my own words, but it takes up a lot of time. Nevertheless, I have two days off coming up.

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Message 272 of 377 (914836)
02-05-2024 4:08 PM
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02-05-2024 3:23 PM


Re: World War III is Nearly Inevitable
Phat writes:
I have intended to comb through the transcripts, find some quotes that resonate, and defend my acceptance of these quotes.
Congratulations, you're doing it exactly wrong. 20 years here and you still haven't worked out how to think. That critical thinking course that you said you'd take but didn't might have helped.
You don't go through a document looking for things you agree with, then go looking for good reasons to believe them. All you're going to do is confirm your existing preconceptions. How many times have we mentioned confirmation bias? A couple of thousand?
Critical thinking is the analysis of available facts, evidence, observations, and arguments in order to form a judgement by the application of rational, skeptical, and unbiased analyses and evaluation.[1] The application of critical thinking includes self-directed, self-disciplined, self-monitored, and self-corrective habits of the mind,[2] thus a critical thinker is a person who practices the skills of critical thinking or has been trained and educated in its disciplines.[3]
Critical thinking - Wikipedia

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 273 of 377 (914851)
02-06-2024 5:30 AM
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02-05-2024 3:23 PM


Re: World War III is Nearly Inevitable
quote:
I have intended to comb through the transcripts, find some quotes that resonate, and defend my acceptance of these quotes
Tangle has it right. You’re just looking for excuses to justify your beliefs. I gave good advice. If you won’t follow it, the consequences are on your head.

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Message 274 of 377 (914852)
02-06-2024 7:39 AM
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02-05-2024 3:23 PM


Re: World War III is Nearly Inevitable
Tangle and PaulK already commented on the first paragraph of your post, so I'll comment on the second:
Phat in Message 271 writes:
I think it is good for me to describe what I believe (politically) in my own words, but it takes up a lot of time. Nevertheless, I have two days off coming up.
You don't know what you think. You have no idea what to type until you listen to a YouTube video. You can't defend anything they say because they don't make sense or don't have facts behind them or both. You repeat them here because they sound good to you, "resonate" in your terms.
But it's only style you're paying attention to. If they said, "The sky is red and the grass is blue," in the same earnest style, you'd be posting it here.
--Percy

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Message 275 of 377 (914976)
02-08-2024 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Minnemooseus
01-24-2024 11:54 PM


Max Blumenthal - October 7th was Inevitable
Podcast — Alternative Radio
In my opinion, even more profound the the previous one.
Scroll down page to get to audio link
Posted 24-02-01. Same link as previous message, but with a new talk. As always, this talk will be replaced by something newer. Get it fast, because it's going away soon.
If you are interested in things "Alternative Radio", you may wish to monitor the above link on your own. I tend to check in Wednesday evenings (because KTWH airs Alternative Radio on Thursday), which is well after the posting date. The podcast dates lag the airing dates by about a month.
Moose

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Phat
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Message 276 of 377 (915244)
02-11-2024 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Percy
02-06-2024 7:39 AM


You Tube Said It. That Settles It. I Believe It.
Keep in mind, however, that humans learn from a variety of sources of information.
One learns how to tell if a bill is counterfeit NOT by studying the counterfeit but by studying the real bill.
YouTube contains a vast array of information. How could ALL of it be false?
Let's look at the BBC and the latest on the war.
Warnings over Rafah offensive mount as Israel plans push in Gaza
So how do I process this article in my own words?
First, the picture. They say that a picture is a thousand words. What does this picture say to you?
To me it shows a bunch of hungry kids. Why do you think that the media(BBC) select this picture?
BBC:
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the Israeli military will go ahead with its planned ground offensive, insisting an evacuation plan is being prepared.
UK Foreign Secretary David Cameron said, "Over half of Gaza's population are sheltering in the area".

Thus the standoff has been framed. The authoritarian fascist P.M. vs the helpless children of Gaza. The sides are loosely defined. It's Israel(and the US) vs "the rational world. But is this the only possible narrative?

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Message 277 of 377 (915246)
02-11-2024 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Phat
02-11-2024 12:06 PM


Re: You Tube Said It. That Settles It. I Believe It.
YouTube contains a vast array of information. How could ALL of it be false?
That's not at all what is being said.
The problem, Phat, is that you don't understand what is being said in the videos you watch. You dont apply any critical analysis. Apparently, you hear things that "sound right" and just go with it.
You cannot explain the ideas presented in videos yourself. You don't understand them.
You don't seem to understand how to differentiate experts and their fields of expertise - you posted a YouTube link to a discussion about the destruction of an underwater pipeline, but the expert was a petrochem guy by your own statements. He might know a little about pipelines, but how on Earth would such a person be an expert on foreign policy, intelligence agencies, sabotage, terrorism, or anything else remotely relevant? Even he seemed to realize that - the video posted didn't actually make any claims, they just speculated and asked questions and admitted they didn't have any real idea!
YouTube has a ton of good, useful, true information.
It also has a lot of false info, misleading commentary, and conspiracy theories.
You have to do more than just look at what "feels right," Phat. You have to critically analyze what is being presented! If you can't understand the reasoning for the views expressed, then the video wasn't a useful source of information! The evidence and reasoning are what is important! Not appeals to (often misattributed) authority, not views that align with the inconsistent half-formed general "vibe" that you seem to use to understand the world. Evidence and reasoning! Videos with sources, commentators who explain why evidence X leads to conclusion Y in a cogent, logically consistent manner, preferably with additional sources referenced to confirm that the line of reasoning is generally accepted by experts in the field!
Thus the standoff has been framed. The authoritarian fascist P.M. vs the helpless children of Gaza. The sides are loosely defined. It's Israel(and the US) vs "the rational world. But is this the only possible narrative?
Its the only one based on facts and a valuation of human life. And you can see mountains of additional photographic and video evidence beyond what the BBC shows. Note that the only reason the BBC (and other news outlets) is finally starting to take this stance is because the evidence has become too great to ignore!
Netanyahu is fascist. he is authoritarian. He has a significant track record. Look into his "judicial reforms" and other recent policy actions.
The people of Gaza, a huge number of whom are children, have been displaced from their homes. Their homes have been destroyed. You can see it in satellite imagery - even back in early December I remember seeing images showing the northern half of the city was nothing but rubble! They already relied on Israel for water, because Israel used military force to ensure they could not get water through other means. Israel has annihilated every hospital and school in Gaza. They shoot women and children with snipers who can clearly see that they are not combatants. They tell the people of Gaza to move to a "safe area" and then they bomb it.
Have you even tried to look into any claims? You seem to just have a reflexive contrarian view to whatever you think is the "mainstream" with literally zero critical thought!

“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995...

"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV)

Nihil supernum


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Message 278 of 377 (915248)
02-11-2024 1:41 PM
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02-11-2024 12:06 PM


Re: You Tube Said It. That Settles It. I Believe It.
quote:
YouTube contains a vast array of information. How could ALL of it be false?
As I said before Message 268:
YouTube is a carrier not a source. There are reliable sources on YouTube - but there are a lot that aren’t
(And was promptly proved correct Message 21)

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Phat
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Message 279 of 377 (915487)
02-14-2024 3:12 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by Rahvin
02-11-2024 1:28 PM


Re: You Tube Said It. That Settles It. I Believe It.
Rahvin writes:
Its the only one based on facts and a valuation of human life. And you can see mountains of additional photographic and video evidence beyond what the BBC shows. Note that the only reason the BBC (and other news outlets) is finally starting to take this stance is because the evidence has become too great to ignore!

Netanyahu is fascist. he is authoritarian. He has a significant track record. Look into his "judicial reforms" and other recent policy actions.
The people of Gaza, a huge number of whom are children, have been displaced from their homes. Their homes have been destroyed. You can see it in satellite imagery - even back in early December I remember seeing images showing the northern half of the city was nothing but rubble! They already relied on Israel for water, because Israel used military force to ensure they could not get water through other means. Israel has annihilated every hospital and school in Gaza. They shoot women and children with snipers who can clearly see that they are not combatants. They tell the people of Gaza to move to a "safe area" and then they bomb it.
I wont deny that Israel is behaving quite authoritarian. One reason that they do not seek a two state solution is because they do not want a nation of people who hate them right next door...any more than the US would accept such behavior from one of its neighbors. Hamas is so woven into the consciousness of the people that it becomes hard to separate Palestinians from Hamas. I am not excusing Israel but simply pointing out their rationale as I see it.

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Message 280 of 377 (915559)
02-14-2024 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Phat
02-14-2024 3:12 AM


Re: You Tube Said It. That Settles It. I Believe It.
One reason that they do not seek a two state solution is because they do not want a nation of people who hate them right next door
I wonder why there is so much hatred....
any more than the US would accept such behavior from one of its neighbors
Phat, please explain, in your own words and without looking it up, the history of the Palestine/Israel conflict. I won't hold you to tight details. What is it that you think has happened, and is happening, specifically?
Hamas is so woven into the consciousness of the people that it becomes hard to separate Palestinians from Hamas. I am not excusing Israel but simply pointing out their rationale as I see it.
That's certainly what they're saying, sure.
But consider it objectively. Lets imagine that in my neighborhood there is a militia group. This militia group really, really hates the government - sometimes they launch improvised rockets. They do some really bad things. They may or may not be angry for legitimate reasons, but basically everyone agrees that dropping explosives in civilian areas is bad.
So the government decides to just start indiscriminately dropping 2000lb bombs on my entire city. All of it. The government says that there are militia tunnels everywhere, and apparently the best idea they have is to just...drop explosives in civilian areas.
And the government is way, way better at it than the militia. The militia sometimes kills people, and in the absolute worst attack soemthing like 1200 people died. But because the government is air-striking my city, they have killed around 30,000 people. It's reasonable to think that a few were probably militia members, but more than half of the dead are literally women and children - definitely not militia members.
Do I deserve to have my neighborhood and entire city demolished, all my neighbors and friends and familiy killed, my house destroyed? Do I deserve to be left literally starving to death with the survivors? I wasnt a militia member. I might have sympathized with them a bit, maybe I shared their anger, but I never dropped any bombs. I never kidnapped anybody. I never had anything to do with the militia. Do my kids deserve to die?
If your response is that collateral damage happens in war, at what point is the collateral damage the objective? Have you looked at the satellite images of Gaza? How much has been obliterated, reduced to rubble?
Do you believe these are precision strikes intended to kill Hamas members?
If so, how would you differentiate precision strikes from total annihilation?
Around 30,000 civilians are already dead. The remainder have no food. No water. Children are literally starting to starve to death. Aid is ready to come in...but Israel specifically will not allow the aid. They block it. They have the power to stem the tide of starvation (it's too late to stop it, it's already underway, but they could let people slow it down, save thousands), all they have to do is let the aid in and stop bombing. They're choosing to let these people starve. They've bombed all of the infrastructure and guaranteed this situation. You literally couldn't plan it to happen more efficiently.
At what point does it become genocide, Phat, by your definition? Do bombs and bullets and intentional starvation not count? Does it require literal crematoriums and gas showers? Is it a raw number? Do you just need the death toll to top a million before it "counts?"
My first request about the history of the conflict is genuine, Phat. Please do provide a summary of what you think appears to be happening and its causes. I won't hold you to details like specific years, or the specific terms of previous agreements or whatever. Just broad-strokes, without looking it up, tell me how you think the situation got here, starting wherever you think it started.

“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995...

"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV)

Nihil supernum


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Phat
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Message 281 of 377 (915568)
02-15-2024 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Rahvin
02-14-2024 8:19 PM


My Take Without Looking It Up
Rahvin writes:
My first request about the history of the conflict is genuine, Phat. Please do provide a summary of what you think appears to be happening and its causes. I won't hold you to details like specific years, or the specific terms of previous agreements or whatever. Just broad strokes, without looking it up, tell me how you think the situation got here, starting wherever you think it started.
OK. In order.
1) Balfour Declaration
2) WW II Genocide, leading to a combination of increased Zionism and Western sympathy.
3) Israel becomes a nation. It is plopped in the middle of Historic Palestine.
4) The "never again" victims soon become the aggressors and victimizers. The Arab nations attempt to push Israel out.
5) 4 wars later, Israel is firmly and stubbornly entrenched, (even having acquired more land through the wars) and is powerful due to constant US support
6) Palestinians become the new Jews in the victimization sense. They publically declare their hatred for Israel and have the aim of eliminating the Jewish State.
7)Arafat and Begin embrace before a beaming Clinton.
8) Impatient youth demand change, and embrace Hamas, and Iran becomes the Islamic counterpart of the US, supporting the cause.
9) October 7th, and the subsequent war. Hardline conservatives led by Netanyahu become convinced that it's either them or us and choose the path now taken.
Hows that?

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Message 282 of 377 (915640)
02-15-2024 5:58 PM
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02-15-2024 1:51 AM


Re: My Take Without Looking It Up
Phat writes:
OK. In order.
1) Balfour Declaration
2) WW II Genocide, leading to a combination of increased Zionism and Western sympathy.
3) Israel becomes a nation. It is plopped in the middle of Historic Palestine.
4) The "never again" victims soon become the aggressors and victimizers. The Arab nations attempt to push Israel out.
5) 4 wars later, Israel is firmly and stubbornly entrenched, (even having acquired more land through the wars) and is powerful due to constant US support
6) Palestinians become the new Jews in the victimization sense. They publically declare their hatred for Israel and have the aim of eliminating the Jewish State.
7)Arafat and Begin embrace before a beaming Clinton.
8) Impatient youth demand change, and embrace Hamas, and Iran becomes the Islamic counterpart of the US, supporting the cause.
9) October 7th, and the subsequent war. Hardline conservatives led by Netanyahu become convinced that it's either them or us and choose the path now taken.

Hows that?
Reminds a bit of US actions over the last 20 years. The US war against Iraq saw US forces based in Saudi Arabia, leading to Al Queda with ties to the Taliban. 9/11 happened, and the US went into Afghanistan to root out the political faction responsible for the attacks.

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Phat
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Message 283 of 377 (916102)
02-24-2024 6:38 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Rahvin
02-14-2024 8:19 PM


In Your Own Words
I did as you asked. No, I am not Pro Palestinian. They let Hamas in to their lives and now have a cancer. Until they renounce Hamas, Israel will continue to try and kill all of them.
Maybe Israel is guilty of war crimes, but Israel is stubborn. And defiant. Now what?

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Message 284 of 377 (916127)
02-24-2024 6:08 PM
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Re: In Your Own Words
Sorry, work is keeping me busy.
You did better than I expected, so kudos.
No, I am not Pro Palestinian. They let Hamas in to their lives and now have a cancer. Until they renounce Hamas, Israel will continue to try and kill all of them.
So, by that reasoning, genocide is justified in cases where there is a terrorist group involved. As in, the US would have been justified in wiping out all of Afghanistan because Al Qaeda existed.
Or, to put a finer point on it, by your logic the Nazis were justified in trying to wipe out all Jewish people because there were some violent Jewish resistance cells. Do you see how racist and vile that sounds?
What is it with this insistence that everyone "renounce Hamas" as a condition for acknowledging basic human rights? It's maddening.
You acknowledged that Israel has been oppressing Palestinians for decades. What do you think is the inevitable result of that oppression?
The oppressed people fight back, however they can. Oppression breeds animosity breeds hatred. It's possible to acknowledge that Hamas does really awful things, and also acknowledge that Israel is directly giving Hamas a reason to exist, and is in fact recruiting for them. This is how terrorism works. It's PR with violence - I've described this before.
It's also possible to acknowledge that Palestinians are not Hamas, and this is in fact propaganda from Israel.
A Palestinian child is not Hamas. They cannot possibly be - they are a child. Why does the existence of Hamas justify dropping a bomb on a school filled with children?
How can you not be "pro civilians not being murdered?" I want Israeli civilians to not be murdered. I also want Palestinian civilians to not be murdered. Right now, a lot more Palestinians are being murdered.
What specifically do you think would happen regarding Hamas is Israel right now stopped all military action in Gaza, pulled back from all illegally-occupied territories, recognized the existence of a Palestinian state, and immediately allowed and assisted in massive aid distribution through a newly-formed Palestinian government, while setting the conditions for Palestinian independence from Israel (meaning - allow Palestinians to maintain their own water sources, mange their own trade, generate their own electricity, etc.)?
Do you think Hamas would gain support or lose support, if their reason for existing was no longer necessary?
Here's a hint - Palestinian support for Hamas increased with the Gaza invasion from Israel. Violent oppression breeds support for Hamas. Peace is what weakens and dismantles Hamas!
Maybe Israel is guilty of war crimes, but Israel is stubborn. And defiant. Now what?
"Maybe Nazi Germany is guilty of war crimes. But Germany is stubborn. And defiant. Now what?"

“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995...

"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV)

Nihil supernum


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Message 285 of 377 (917864)
04-19-2024 8:04 AM


Israel Retaliates For Iran Missle Attack
BBC:

  • An Israeli missile has struck Iran, two US officials have told the BBC's US partner CBS News
  • Iranian state media cite unconfirmed reports of explosions in the central province of Isfahan, but have downplayed reports of an attack. Israel has not officially commented
  • Video from Isfahan posted by BBC Persian shows orange flashes in the night sky and the sound of what appears to be bursts of anti-aircraft fire
  • Isfahan is home to a large airbase, a major missile production complex and several nuclear facilities. The global nuclear watchdog says no nuclear sites were damaged
  • Iran has been on high alert in the wake of Israel pledging to respond to Iran's unprecedented missile and drone attack on Israel on Saturday night
  • Tehran has maintained it was retaliation for a presumed Israeli air strike on its consulate in Syria on 1 April, in which 13 people were killed
  • It was a measured Israeli response to Iran's Drone and Missile attack. Israel cleared the way with one wave of jets and delivered a small yet calculated attack/response to Irans attack several days ago.
    The markets reacted to this latest development yet global response is slow and measured.
    Everyone knows that Iran supplies both Hezbollah and the Houthis which the US Navy is guarding in the Red Sea.
    My thoughts?
    Israel has a right to defend itself. The Iranian side is now portraying this whole incident as minimal after having their airspace so easily penetrated. Israels counterstrike was less fierce than the US and the UN initially feared. Irans support of all anti Israeli factions is causing tension in the Middle East. The US wisely stayed largely out of this latest incident
    except perhaps to help Israeli planes refuel midair. Israel is always a bit excessive, but will not tolerate aggression towards the Nation/State.
    Biden treads diplomatic tightrope on Israel-Iran

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