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Message 87 of 698 (914996)
02-08-2024 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by K.Rose
02-06-2024 8:58 PM


Hi Rose,
Welcome to EvC.
K.Rose writes:
Can this process be re-created?
It can not be repeated as it never happened.
If it happened once is would still be available in all stages of evolution.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 89 of 698 (914998)
02-08-2024 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Theodoric
02-08-2024 3:35 PM


Hi Theo,
Theodoric writes:
Do you have parent? If so, you are evidence for evolution.
One parent is not enough it takes 2 parents to reproduce a child.
The only thing K.Rose proves is that the parents were capable of reproducing a human being in their image and likeness.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 92 of 698 (915001)
02-08-2024 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Theodoric
02-08-2024 3:25 PM


Hi Theo,
A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that can be repeatedly tested and corroborated in accordance with the scientific method. These theories are developed using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. Let me break it down further:
1. Definition: A scientific theory is a systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination. It encompasses a family of empirical laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited1.
2. Characteristics:
...... Testability: Scientific theories are testable and make verifiable predictions.
....... Explanation: They describe the causes of a particular natural phenomenon.
........Application: These theories are used to explain and predict aspects of the physical universe or specific areas of inquiry, such as electricity, chemistry, and astronomy2.
3. Different from Facts and Laws:
.......A scientific fact is a simple, basic observation.
.......A scientific law is a statement (often a mathematical equation) about a relationship between facts and/or other laws.
.......In contrast, a scientific theory explains “why” or “how” something happens. .......For example, Newton’s Law of Gravity is a mathematical equation that predicts the attraction between bodies, but it doesn’t explain how gravity works2.
4. Strength and Evolution:
.......The strength of a scientific theory lies in its ability to explain diverse phenomena and its simplicity.
.......As new evidence emerges, theories may be modified or even rejected if they don’t align with the findings.
.......Some theories, like evolution, heliocentric theory, and germ theory of disease, are so well-established that they are unlikely to fundamentally change2.
How does this do for a definition of Theory?
God Bless,

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Message 120 of 698 (915039)
02-09-2024 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by K.Rose
02-09-2024 12:10 PM


Hi K.Rose,
K.Rose writes:
If Evolutionism can meet the high bar of Scientific Fact, then it should be presented as such. If not, then the Certainty of Evolutionary conclusions must be divulged front and center.
The problem with evolution as I see it is that it is built on a lot of assumptions. Assumptions are not facts as they are only the imaginations of scientist.
The biggest problem evolutionist have is how life began to exist from non life.
Some propose it rode on stuff from outer space be it dust particles or meteorites.
Some propose it came from clay.
Some propose it came from chemicals.
The fact is scientist don't have any information on how life began to exist on earth. There is not one shred of scientific evidence as to how life began to exist or how the universe began to exist. They have a lot of assumptions, a lot of beliefs, and a lot of faith but they deny having any faith.
If you don't know how life began to exist how can you describe how it got to where it is today? We know a lot about life on earth because it exists. There are 2.13 billion critters on earth today and no two of them alike and none in a visible process of changing into another species. Why isn't evolution taking place today if it took place in the past? It just boggles my mind all the assumptions that have to be swallowed to believe what is believed today.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 123 of 698 (915042)
02-09-2024 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Granny Magda
02-09-2024 3:38 PM


Hi Granny,
Long time no see.
Granny Magda writes:
It is perfectly easy to conceive of a world where there were two origins of life
Science? can't find the beginning to exist of one lifeform, and you are wanting to suggest a second lifeform beginning to exist?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 222 of 698 (915145)
02-10-2024 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Percy
02-10-2024 7:38 AM


Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
abiogenesis, is not part of evolutionary theory
Yes Percy I know you have been telling me that for 18 years.
And for that same 18 years I have been telling you if you don't have life existing there is nothing to evolve.
You do know that Darwin believed God started the process with two or three life forms don't you?
That means that those chemicals, clay, or out of space life is part of the process of life getting to where it is today.
But if life came to earth on dust or meteorites, where and how did that life begin to exist?
Percy writes:
Concerning abiogenesis, there is some evidence,
What evidence?
Percy writes:
ICANT writes:
If you don't know how life began to exist how can you describe how it got to where it is today?
If that were true then if you don't know how animals are butchered or crops harvested, how could you possibly cook?
No that would just mean I didn't know how they evolved if the did or if they started out as full grown animals.
Percy writes:
Unlike religion, scientific consensuses only develop around phenomena that exist.
Percy I know you don't like religion and I am not to fond of religion because it covers a broad spectrum.
But lets examine a few facts.
It is a fact that science does not know how the universe began to exist or why.
It is a fact that science has no evidence of what happened untill 300,000 years after the universe began to exist.
That means everything that is said to have happened during that 300,000 years is an assumption or somebody's imagination of what happened.
Science assumes the universe began to exist because it is expanding and could not have expanded eternally in the past as it would have been a dead universe a long time ago.
ICANT assumes God created the universe in the Beginning.
Tell me why my assumption is false and sciences assumption is true?
They are both assumptions and both could be true or false O both could be false.
Science assumes life began to exist from non life.
ICANT assumes God created life in the beginning.
Tell me why my assumption is false and sciences assumption is true?
They are both assumptions and both could be true or false O both could be false.
Percy writes:
"2.13 billion critters?" Are you sure about that.
No I am not sure about that as there are 2.13 billion species of critters on earth. My mind gets ahead of my fingers sometimes.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 225 of 698 (915148)
02-10-2024 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Percy
02-10-2024 9:51 AM


Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Is it just that you've heard something unfavorable about Ancestry.com? Or are you doubting DNA analysis in general, and if so why?
DNA is not an exact science.
If you were to clone a person you would get an exact DNA match. Identical twins come pretty close sometimes, just twins not so much. In Sibling's the actual amount of shared DNA can vary between 1,613 to 3,488 centimorgans.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 275 of 698 (915205)
02-11-2024 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by dwise1
02-10-2024 7:36 PM


Hi wise1
dwise1 writes:
that "Jesus" would have to have been a woman, hence the more accurate exclamation:
Why would He have to be a woman?
He had no genes from a man or a woman. Had He had just one gene from either He would not been the perfect sacrifice.
Matthew writes:
Matthew 1:20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
According to that Mary became the first surrogate mother as the Holy Ghost placed Emmanuel in her womb.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 278 of 698 (915208)
02-11-2024 2:22 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by Tangle
02-10-2024 6:08 PM


Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
How old is the earth
I am not K.Rose but it is a lot older than K.Rose said it is.
I will say it is a lot older than you think it is.
The universe has been here since the beginning of existence.
Einstein was correct to start with, the universe is eternal in the past .
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 320 of 698 (915259)
02-11-2024 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Tangle
02-09-2024 5:06 PM


Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
It's actually built on a set of observations. Observations are facts.
Yes I have observed quite a bit of evolution take place in my lifetime.
In the 1940's we plowed our fields with horses, and mules, then 1 row tractors, then two row tractors, then to 6 row tractors.
Our primary mode of transportation was horseback or horse and wagon. We had two Tennessee walking horses. It was 14 miles to town and we could make it with them in 2 hours. Now the same trip can be made in 14 minutes, less if you speed.
I seen our hogs improved from averaging 175 lbs. to 700 + lbs. by selective breeding.
I saw our tobacco that produced 1500 lbs. per acre to 3200 lbs. per acre by using certain tobacco seeds.
But I don't know of any experiment that can cover the time frame that is required for all the critters we have today much less all those that disappeared in the 3 big extinction events. After each extinction event all of a sudden there were a bunch of different brand new species. No time for evolution to take a long, long, long time. I can't see “adaptive radiation” producing all those fully developed critters.
Tangle writes:
That is not a problem for evolutionary biologists because the origin of life is not part of the theory of evolution. Weird huh?
It is not a problem, if you can ignore the elephant in the room. The one where you got to have life before it can evolve.
I know what science can do, just skip how life got here and just go from there.
Oh that is what they do.
Tangle]Evolution is happening in every species alive on earth today.
That means they have been evolving everyday for 65 million years since the last extinction event.
So why is it that everything I see is just like it has always been?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 341 of 698 (915289)
02-12-2024 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by Percy
02-12-2024 10:16 AM


Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Scientific certainty is an erroneous claim you consistently make.
Percy I think you need to qualify that statement as I believe there are many things that are scientific certainties and Marvels.
I for one am a scientific marvel. I have been wearing glasses since the comment was four eyes. Actually since I was nine. I got my first complete knee implant in January of 2000 and a partial in my left knee in 2001 which is still working today. My first implant lasted 16 years and from 3 weeks after surgery I was able to do a days construction work 6 days a week for that 16 years. The revision didn't work so good because of my age.
I got a couple of steel plates in my left fore arm you would not want me to hit you with.
If it had not been for science, I would have probably spent the last 23 years in a wheelchair.
Because of science we have been able to put a man on the moon.
But when it comes to creation and the beginning to exist scientist will never find the answer to that problem as they are looking in all the wrong places.
Einstein identified himself as a Pantheist, as he believed the universe was God. I have been accused of being a pantheist right after I started posting here. But I don't believe God is the universe but I believes He holds it together like science believes dark matter holds it together and dark energy is causing the acceleration of expansion.
Percy writes:
In science there is never any "yes/no".
Sure there is just not about how life or the universe began to exist.
All of my body parts including a stent in my right artery about 2 " from my heart, that I forgot to mention earlier, were created in a lab.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 343 of 698 (915291)
02-12-2024 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 340 by Tanypteryx
02-12-2024 12:18 PM


Hi Tanypteryx,
Tanypteryx writes:
All this "give birth to a wholly different lifeform" nonsense is just shorthand for dogs giving birth to porkypines or some other wholly different lifeform.
All living creatures, mankind, animals, plants and fungi are lifeforms.
If you need an explanation of those just ask.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 345 of 698 (915293)
02-12-2024 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 342 by Theodoric
02-12-2024 1:08 PM


Theodoric
You are irrelevant!
Percy writes:
Scientific certainty is an erroneous claim
I gave 4 examples of scientific Certainties.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 387 of 698 (915371)
02-13-2024 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 344 by Tanypteryx
02-12-2024 1:28 PM


Hi Tanypteryx,
Tanypteryx writes:
Thanks! OK, please explain.
A life form—also spelled as life-form or lifeform—refers to any entity that exhibits the characteristics of living organisms. These entities include:
Plants (Flora): Plants are life forms that perform photosynthesis, converting sunlight into energy. They range from tiny mosses to towering trees.
2ndAnimals (Fauna): Animals encompass a vast array of species, from microscopic organisms to complex mammals. They exhibit mobility, sensory perception, and often consume other life forms for sustenance.
3rd Fungi (Funga): Fungi include mushrooms, molds, and yeasts. They play essential roles in decomposition, nutrient cycling, and symbiotic relationships. While over five billion species have existed throughout Earth’s history, more than 99% of them are now extinct1. As of now, we have not discovered any form of extraterrestrial life
In essence, life forms weave the intricate fabric of our planet, shaping ecosystems, cycles, and the very essence of existence.
God Bless

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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