Who Owns the Standard Definition of Evolution

Greetings dwise:From your posts I can say that we have some commonality in background, and I suspect we would agree many things. On those things we don't I would hope we could agree to disagree.I always enjoy a good truism, and a phrase that comes to mind is "be humble, you could be wrong".

Yes, that's it. In Message 228 sensei said my guess was wrong and that I should add myself to the ranks of the idiots. But he does offer further explanation this time: So finally we know what he's asking: Since the probability of ten consecutive tails is 1/1024 given a fair coin, is that the same as the probability that we have a fair coin. The question seems meaningless to me. He'll have to clarify further.--Percy

We might be a bit short on admin resources. I'm already a participant, leaving only Adminnemooseus and AdminNosy.

It seems possible to me that you haven't grasped PaulK's question. PaulK can correct me if I'm misunderstanding this, but I think he means that given the DNA of a person we can extrapolate back to their parents and their parents' parents and their parents' parents' parents, and so on. At what point does that extrapolation cease to be valid? Common ancestry is simply what happens reproduction. It's unavoidable. A great grandmother is a common ancestor of all her children, all her grandchildren, and all her great grandchildren. You'll often see a picture of a grandparent with a large collection of their progeny gathered around. Common ancestry is just a fact. It's not true that it's being read into genetic history because it *is* genetic history. DNA evidence of genetic history *is* evidence of common ancestry. I think you're reading a Creator into genetic evidence. I'm not as optimistic as Tanypteryx that this isn't something religion couldn't do at some point. You're in effect saying, "You could be wrong," and then leaving it at that, instead of showing how he's wrong.--Percy

I'm talking about common ancestry. If you're talking about something else then you'll have to tell us what it is. Honest scientific investigation means following the evidence where it leads. Seeking conclusions that don't offend anyone's religious beliefs isn't part of the process.--Percy

But we're talking about all life, right? Not just people.But it sounds like we're in agreement that life in the past was lived pretty much as it is today. In that case, why wouldn't common ancestry have occurred in the past, just like it does today? Our knowledge will always remain incomplete, and all science is tentative. We accept as likely true that for which we have sufficient evidence. If you think the evidence insufficient for something in particular, such as common ancestry, then you have to make the case. The claim, "Well, we don't know everything so you could be wrong," carries no weight because it can be said about literally everything. You mentioned them in response to one of my posts about DNA analysis and common ancestry. I don't myself see how they fit into the discussion, and I don't know anything about them.--Percy

I think there have been some insulting exchanges, and I'm sorry you've come away feeling this way. You're just resetting to an earlier position. I think we've already established that there's plenty of DNA to analyze and a great deal of analytical results. You haven't identified any actual problems or issues yet.--Percy

LOL! Then you don't actually follow what empirical evidence supports for the age of the Earth. You are a lying hypocrite!

Disagreement is an understatement. Over the last 100+- years your creationism has been totally refuted in ALL its aspects. That you resurrect these tired old PRATTs ...Point refuted a thousand times - RationalWiki... from decades past is testament to your lack of scholarship, critical thinking skills and humility. I'm not surprised to learn this has plagued you all your life. Got to be a major disadvantage to go through life so arrogant yet so intellectually dense.K, you are the typical religious nutjob. But then you already knew that. As you said you have suffered your whole life from that condition.Creationists, religionists, Einstein wannabes, all come in here complaining how ill they are treated, being called stupid and getting no respect. I am a major offender.There is reason for this. It is because you are, in fact, fucking stupid. You're mis-wired in the brain.Your brain has accepted your majikal religious fantasies as real. You cannot discern your fantasies from this world's reality. Your thinking and your decisions, your morality, are directed by your priests and are suspect at best. To be ignored would be better.You cannot be trusted to decide humanely anything within the human condition. Indeed. Religious poison and its mythical conceptualizations masquerading as viable. Making life and death decisions from an emotional religious base with scant regard for reality. Religious misrepresentations of celestial aid to avoid death, cure illness and help find lost car keys.

You nailed every single point! What are the odds of that?

42?

Nailed it again!

You're easily entertained today. But thank you anyway. It's always good to be recognized even if for no reason. Kinda like Obama and his Nobel Prize.

The TOE and common ancestry are different things. So now you are using strawman arguments? Gish gallop next?

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