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Message 192 of 703 (915113)
02-09-2024 10:44 PM


Hey, guys. With all these people falling down the stairs has anyone looked to see what the hell is wrong with those steps? Is there a priest in there somewhere screwing with the risers trying to get jesus to appear on the landing?

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Message 224 of 703 (915147)
02-10-2024 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by K.Rose
02-10-2024 9:51 AM


It appears that there is a danger within Scientific disciplines ...
Oh please K stop with the bull. Your problems stem not from our science but from your church. The rest of the world has already figured out this evolution thing. You still hold to backward barbaric creation myths that are known bogus.
Science looks, science sees. The evidence is all we can rely on since our emotions are too prone to fantasy as you so well exhibit.
Your personal problems with evolution stem not from the science but from what this universe is showing you.
There is no god evident in the reality we see. There is no hint of such supernatural processes interfering with the matter/energy of this universe which would leave marks we are well able to discern.
From the available evidence your god is not and your beloved afterlife of forced forever adulation for all eternity is not and your personal salvation by the divine saving you from the sting of death is not.
Your problem is not with science or evolution. Your problem is with what the universe has shown you. This universe just will not comport to your fantasy.

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Message 227 of 703 (915150)
02-10-2024 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by ICANT
02-10-2024 12:34 PM


DNA is not an exact science.
Then you go on and give us exact numbers from genetics.
What, exactly, do you mean by 'exact science'?

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Message 264 of 703 (915193)
02-10-2024 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by K.Rose
02-10-2024 7:20 PM


I don't mind that there are those that there are those who disagree with me vehemently.
Disagreement is an understatement. Over the last 100+- years your creationism has been totally refuted in ALL its aspects. That you resurrect these tired old PRATTs ...
Point refuted a thousand times - RationalWiki
... from decades past is testament to your lack of scholarship, critical thinking skills and humility. I'm not surprised to learn this has plagued you all your life. Got to be a major disadvantage to go through life so arrogant yet so intellectually dense.
K, you are the typical religious nutjob. But then you already knew that. As you said you have suffered your whole life from that condition.
Creationists, religionists, Einstein wannabes, all come in here complaining how ill they are treated, being called stupid and getting no respect. I am a major offender.
There is reason for this. It is because you are, in fact, fucking stupid. You're mis-wired in the brain.
Your brain has accepted your majikal religious fantasies as real. You cannot discern your fantasies from this world's reality. Your thinking and your decisions, your morality, are directed by your priests and are suspect at best. To be ignored would be better.
You cannot be trusted to decide humanely anything within the human condition.
In this matter a large-scale misrepresentation is being foisted on the public ...
Indeed. Religious poison and its mythical conceptualizations masquerading as viable. Making life and death decisions from an emotional religious base with scant regard for reality. Religious misrepresentations of celestial aid to avoid death, cure illness and help find lost car keys.

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Message 266 of 703 (915195)
02-10-2024 11:18 PM
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02-10-2024 11:03 PM


42?

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Message 268 of 703 (915197)
02-10-2024 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Tanypteryx
02-10-2024 11:26 PM


You're easily entertained today. But thank you anyway. It's always good to be recognized even if for no reason. Kinda like Obama and his Nobel Prize.

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Message 271 of 703 (915200)
02-11-2024 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 247 by K.Rose
02-10-2024 7:04 PM


"Many highly knowledgeable scientists have been working on this for a very long time, and this explanation represents their conclusions. Anyone who challenges this explanation is either uneducated in the matter or willfully ignorant."

Again, with no empirical test data presented, and no accounting for the unknowns.
Do you really expect to get that level of detailed presentation given to you in a 1 min soundbite in an internet forum?
The details are available to you, creationist. But you have to go to school to learn them in the detail you are disingenuously and arrogantly demanding here.
Double down on my Message 264. You really are ...

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Message 316 of 703 (915255)
02-11-2024 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 304 by Phat
02-11-2024 10:57 AM


Re: Who Owns What?
So are you suggesting that humans without emotions would progress more efficiently?
No.
Think on it, Phat. Humans sans emotions means no sex. No real sex. OK so maybe a world without sex might solve a mountain-full of problems, but just, somehow doesn’t seem much worth it. Besides, as I read our history there may be some major advancements that were achieved with the aid of post-nut clarity. Powerful intellectual stuff there.
You can't incorporate human thinking into your personal default.
Bad bad phrasing. I am human. Of course, my personal default is human thinking. But I think I know what you were trying to say.
No I can’t present my own thoughts as representative of anything but me.
On evidence, however, science has already aggregated a consensus for me. Being a good little acolyte, I latch on to that tool and use it. We know what evidence is. A lot of our discoveries are based on looking for the evidence that should be there if right. By the same token we reject hypothesizes that don’t leave the trail of evidence that should be there if they were right.
Seems as if the Universe "itself" is your God.
I am in awe of her power. There is no other. She could fry our world with a gamma-ray burst. She throws mountains at us. We have seen a hundred different ways she kills entire star systems, planets, populations, people. She cannot feel. She cannot care. We are at the mercy of the most dispassionate, most violent, most creative master of all there is. Until her will be done with me I’ll eat her strawberries; I’ll drink her sweet wine. And I will be forever thankful for the experience. I am alive.

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Message 318 of 703 (915257)
02-11-2024 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 311 by K.Rose
02-11-2024 2:13 PM


The Bible is not subject to science, science is subject to the Bible.
Your bible has been subject to a lot of science. It fails the test of reality. It is known to be myth.
The only thing in this universe that is subject to your bible is you.

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Message 321 of 703 (915260)
02-11-2024 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 320 by ICANT
02-11-2024 7:14 PM


Tangle writes:
Evolution is happening in every species alive on earth today.

That means they have been evolving everyday for 65 million years since the last extinction event.

So why is it that everything I see is just like it has always been?
How would you know? Were you there 65 million years ago to see the population that survived?
It is not a problem, if you can ignore the elephant in the room. The one where you got to have life before it can evolve.
That's just what Tangle said. You evolve into a parrot, Reverend?
You make it sound like since we don't know everything therefore we cannot know anything, especially evolution.
No, we don't know how life came to be, but once it raised its first replicant we have a good, evidenced and reasonable, path from there to here. Evolution.
We're still working on the rest. Be patient. Nature had billions of years to get a recipe for life. We've only been at this a few decades.

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Message 383 of 703 (915364)
02-13-2024 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 380 by WookieeB
02-12-2024 11:56 PM


Re: Exons and Introns
Common design would explain it just fine.
So you’re saying in the beginning your creator made different organisms but made some with millions of years worth of mutations that correspond to a faked heredity with the others? Clever. But why the subterfuge? Your god a clown? Loki, the false jester god? Does he have bells on his hat?

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Message 385 of 703 (915366)
02-13-2024 3:54 AM
Reply to: Message 384 by WookieeB
02-13-2024 2:21 AM


Re: Exons and Introns
But that is exactly what you said Taq's graph showed ... common design ... complete with an entire history of mutations spanning millions of years. He does have bells on his hat doesn't he.

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Message 411 of 703 (915473)
02-13-2024 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 410 by dwise1
02-13-2024 9:33 PM


... what is Latin for the informal fallacy, argument from stupidity?
Argumentum ab stultitia.
I like it better in english, argument from stupid.

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Message 422 of 703 (915532)
02-14-2024 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 419 by Taq
02-14-2024 1:36 PM


Probably the biggest mountain to climb right now is understanding the direct connection between genotype and phenotype. Exactly how are differences in DNA sequence tied to specific differences in phenotype.
Ahh, yes, Proteomics. Now that we know how the genome makes the proteins we need to figure out how the proteins go about making a body, the phenotype. Those studies promise to be the magic that opens the entire biosphere to our customizing desires. The crocoduck and the CatDog come into reality.
That effort is only about 100,000+- a million times as complex as charting the genome. Many genes contribute coding to more than just a few proteins and many proteins have multiple different uses around the body. That's going to take a lot of computers and a lot of people a lot of time.

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Message 431 of 703 (915556)
02-14-2024 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 427 by K.Rose
02-14-2024 6:06 PM


The Creationist attributes his most important observations to processes that he cannot see, that he cannot explain, and that he cannot demonstrate. This is his Faith.
This is acknowledged.
​The Evolutionist attributes his most important observations to processes that he cannot see, that he cannot explain, and that he cannot demonstrate. This is faith.
This is fabrication. Straw man. Evolution does see, does explain and can demonstrate. You just personally do not like the answers. Already defeated.

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