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sensei Member (Idle past 248 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
quote: I asked a question, what is the probability that we have a fair coin? Do you think it's difficult to understand what is being asked here? What part of this question do you think needs more explaining. If you lot manage to misunderstand it, then no, you are by far not intelligent and not qualified.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17998 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
quote: I get it. You’re. Not actually interested in addressing Taq’s claim at all. Either that or you’re just arrogantly dismissing my point without understanding it.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9616 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
sensei writes: I asked a question, what is the probability that we have a fair coin? That question can only be answered after the fact. But a scientist would form the hypothesis that as there are two sides to the coin and that there are no obvious sign of a bias then the prediction would be p=0.5 per toss. Then he would test the prediction by tossing it n times. With a fair coin the predicted probability of the coin landing all tails or all heads 10 in a row is 2^10, 1024. Do you think it's difficult to understand what is being asked here? Yes
What part of this question do you think needs more explaining. That would be all of it. We have no idea what point you are hoping to make. So why not spell it out for us? Edited by Tangle, . Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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sensei Member (Idle past 248 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
quote: No, you don't get it at all. You think you do, but you fail miserably. Your point is mute, as it does not at all address anything that is up for discussion here.
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sensei Member (Idle past 248 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
quote: After what fact?
quote: Then I suggest you take english class. You are trying to guess the point. That is your problem. You guess, but you guess wrong over and over again. So just stick to the question, that is already hard enough for you low intellects.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9616 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
sensei writes:
After you've performed the test. (Of tossing the coin n times to confirm or falsify the initial p=0.5 prediction)
After what fact? You are trying to guess the point. That is your problem. You guess, but you guess wrong over and over again. Why are you asking us to guess your point, why don't you just tell us what your point is? Is it because you've lost the point you thought you were making? Or maybe you thought you had one but have been shown to be wrong and can't admit it? Or, more likely, never had one in the first place?
So just stick to the question, that is already hard enough for you low intellects. Your question has been answered. We're waiting to hear from you what its relevance has to the discussion about evolution.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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sensei Member (Idle past 248 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
quote: Test has already been performed, as I stated. We observed ten times tails. So do you think you can answer the question now? Or explain to Taq that the probability of 1/1024 of finding this observation is not the same as the probability that the p=0.5 assumption is correct or not.
quote: Who answered it, and what was the answer? I have only found an incorrect answer from Taq, saying it's the same as the p-value of 1/1024. What is your answer?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9616 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
sensai writes: Test has already been performed, as I stated. We observed ten times tails. So do you think you can answer the question now? Or explain to Taq that the probability of 1/1024 of finding this observation is not the same as the probability that the p=0.5 assumption is correct or not. The prior probability of a two-sided coin falling tails 10 times in a row is 1:1024. If we toss the coin 10 times and it comes up tails every time we conclude that the coin is very unlikely (1 chance in 1024) to be fair and that the original prediction of p=0.5 for that coin was highly unlikely to be correct. If we want more precision we keep on tossing the coin. So what is you point? Edited by Tangle, . Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17998 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
quote: My point is that your argument does not address Taq’s actual point. Obviously you shouldn’t be able to reliably tell random data from random data. So it is your argument that is moot (not “mute” - you can’t even get that right). And that’s why you use arrogant bluster instead of actually addressing the issues I raise.
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Percy Member Posts: 23085 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
K.Rose writes: In this matter a large-scale misrepresentation is being foisted on the public, even though it may be as subtle as "it is" vs. "it seems to be". You have yet to raise any objections that are true to evolution's view that life changes over time through a process of descent with modification combined with natural selection. You seem to have begun a reset to where you started of just saying evolution is wrong while ignoring the discussion of the past couple hundred messages where you were unable to find anything that was actually wrong. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 23085 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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K.Rose in Message 254 writes: I don't have the exact number, but somewhere between 6000-7000 years. You're ignoring more than biology then. Onward Christian soldier, to physics, to chemistry, to astronomy, to cosmology, to geology, to boldly do battle with all the rebukes to your religious fantasies. More on topic, genetic analyses reveal events of biological change that took place millions of years ago. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 23085 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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ICANT in Message 278 writes: Tangle writes: How old is the earth I am not K.Rose but it is a lot older than K.Rose said it is. You and K.Rose should get together in a thread and present your evidences to each other. You could build from these:
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 23085 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
sensei in Message 279 writes: Percy in Message 231 writes: sensei in Message 171 writes: quote: Sure, because we know every function of all parts of the DNA, and nothing of genetics hold any mystery for us anymore, right? Really, such arrogance often leads to error. Rephrasing what you just said:
sensei rephrased: Wrong again. It's about the assumptions of parts of DNA not having any function,... Understandings of what were formerly considered DNA's non-functional regions have improved. Some regions *are* non-functional or have functions we do not yet understand, but others have functions. But a region doesn't have to have a known function to trace it's genetic history.
...so it should be random if there is no common ancestor. The fewest possible common ancestors is 1. Zero is not possible and is shown wrong by the existence of your own parents. In the Biblical view of you and K.Rose, if God created 10 million species then there are 10 million common ancestors, not none. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 23085 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
sensei in Message 280 writes: Percy: So you don't see any usefulness in a question like what is the probability that the common we have a common ancestor with all primates, given the observations shown by Taq? That question makes sense, your question makes no sense to anyone here. If you decide to clarify to the point where people understand then we can comment.
I mean, in the end, that is always the key question, as the main claim of Taq is that we share a common ancestor. If you think it's meaningless, then yeah, tell me what ranks you count yourself in? Are you asking whether I consider humans primates? Of course I do. It's definitional. It's like asking is a Ford Fairlane a car. Of course it is, by definition. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 23085 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
sensei in Message 282 writes: Percy: This is like a huge problem for you evolutionists. You just don't get what the main point of discussion is. And you don't know how to correctly interpret the p-value in scientific testing. Which is at the core of the scientific method. You should rather refrain from making any scientific claims if you don't even understand these basics. You remain mostly incomprehensible to most people here, it appears by choice. If and when you start saying comprehensible things then we can comment. --Percy
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