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Author | Topic: Did Jesus Exist? by Bart Ehrman | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Who wrote the Gospels?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I have no idea what you are trying to ask.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: No, it doesn’t have to be known or provable. It can be completely subjective.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I’ll make it simple for you. Do you mean that his given name has to be “Jesus” - that exact name - or do you allow latitude for the vagaries of transliteration?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I’ve no interest in paying to read arguments that are likely bad. (And if there are good arguments why wouldn’t there be some freely available?)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Christians living in the latter half of the 1st Century CE. Your point?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
No. His name could have been Ralph. My point is how do we decide someone was the basis of Jesus if he has none of the characteristics of Jesus. The point you are trying to make is petty and sophomoric, but then again people get that way when they think their beliefs are threatened.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
So anonymous people? No sources? No idea if what is regarded as the Gospels are original or changed or manipulated through the years? Did these anonymous authors right anything else? Why should we trust anything in the Gospels if we have no idea who wrote them, and we can objectively show that parts of them are wrong?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Who said we should trust the Gospels? I didn’t and I don’t.
But that doesn’t mean that they are completely worthless as evidence. Can you make a case that they are complete fiction rather than heavily fictionalised history? Again, Christianity exists. The Gospels are early Christian’s accounts of the founding of their religion. Isn’t it likely that there is some truth in there? Why reject that idea out of hand?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: My answer is that he does have some of the characteristics of Jesus.
quote: I’m simply asking what answer you would accept as meaning that he was “called Jesus”. That you prefer insult to answering is rather telling.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
yes they are completely worthless as evidence. There is nothing that corroborates them. We have no idea who wrote them. We only know an approximation of when. A source cannot be self verifying. There needs to be another source to corroborate before it can be considered as evidence. The Bible cannot be used as evidence for Jesus as that is the only original source for information on the Jesus dude.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Who us he? What are some of the characteristics? Was he a pacifist preacher or a revolutionary? Was he venerated at birth? Was he executed? If so how? Is only part if the story myth? Where do we draw the line?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
So no answer to my points then.
Seriously if there are good arguments for a mythical Jesus why waste time with empty nay-saying?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Interesting that you still refuse to answer a simple question.
Is the answer really that embarrassing to you? And if it is, that really says all we need to know bout your argument.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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What points?
All I see are assertions. Care to make those points in a logical evidenced manner? You claim you have never heard a good argument for mythicism. I gave you sources. I can give you more, but we all know you will ignore them. Edited by Theodoric, . What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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