The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?

Natural as apposed to synthetic? I guess it would be synthetic if we caused our own extinction. I have no idea what your first question means. Life is not the subject of this thread, rather the Jesus Big Bang is the topic.When I use the term "life cycle" I'm talking about how insects have an egg stage, where are their eggs deposited? The larval stage what do they eat and how do they avoid predators, and the pupae stage, where do they hide it so it can metamorphose into an adult, and then everything about their life. Each stage of their lifecycle is completely different and can be in completely different habitat.Then there are the insects like dragonflies and grasshoppers, for example, that do not have a pupae stage, just a nymph that grows larger and molts its exoskeleton periodically until the final molt into an adult.Most invertebrate species also have multiple distinct life stages, their own unique lifecycle. I don't agree. Species go extinct for specific reasons and adding Jesus to discussions about biology makes about as much sense as trying to decide which taxonomic Phylum or Order angels belong to.If you want to talk about biology then start a topic in the Biological Evolution Forum.

Then he should quit wasting time jerking us around and address the subject.

So far - 200+ posts later - the reverend hasn't made a single attempt to address the subject of his own topic.

I imagine that he's working hard on his magnum opus that will be so clear and concise that it will totally blow our minds! Every question will be answered!

I have read multiple versions of the "Bible". As a student of history and politics I understand the influence of religious books on society. I find I know more about the Bible than most Christians. I also seem to know more about the religion they profess to believe in than most people that claim to be religious.
Most religious professionals either out right lie or vastly misrepresent what is in religious scriptures. I never understood the need to say a guy so he could tell you what the text means. Grift and graft.

Damn when did you become a troll?

Still off topic, still trolling.

That's sure what it looked like to me when I was young and still thinking I could understand the new testament. By understand I mean put together a consistent narrative that held together and made sense in a logical way. It became clear that was never going to be possible, so I lost interest.Separately, I will never understand why professionals in some fields lie about their observations. I would feel such a loss of self respect to lie about my observations in my professional field and risk the utter humiliation of being exposed. No one would trust me again!Ignorance about Christianity, is the most common characteristic of christians in my experience, all the other bullshit flows from that ignorance.

I’m not a troll. The truth is still the truth no matter how much you hate it. Maybe you should take a look at yourself.

I'm not moderating this thread, but I think two things would be helpful:

• The thread originator should become more focused on his topic.
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• Everyone else should also remain focused on the topic and not on the people discussing the topic.

I see that Mike the Wizz is back (elsewhere) and appears to have lost what little there was of his mind.

ICANT, you stated:But He gave them no law, so how did they break any law?***The Apostle John describes sin as the transgression
(violation) of God's laws.Where there are no laws, there can be no violation.For example, if a highway has no speed limit, there is
no violation for driving at 100 mph.However, if a highway has a speed limit set at no more
than 60 mph, and one is driving at 100 mph, then that
driver is breaking the law.The same goes with God. Where there is no law, there
is no sin; thereby, no sinner.Peter, in 2 Peter 2:4, states without the slightest hint of
ambiguity that some angels sinned.If the angels had no law, they could not be charged with
lawbreaking.ONLY someone who breaks God's laws can be a sinner.This should be so easy for you to understand. But, you
simply refuse to do so.

Why is there such a division between the Peanut Gallery and the Pulpit Gallery? You do know that this is a Faith & Belief topic so basically any reasonable discussion is fair game...no model needed and no objective evidence. What I cant figure out is why you are interested. If God existed as a human, do you really expect that He would hand you objective proof?

Objectively we can't. You have a point. Perhaps I can...but Percy wants me to express myself in my own words. I was "impressed" with RC Sproul but I suppose nobody gives a rats arse what I am "impressed" with. You all are trained critical thinkers. Thus about all we have is that we communicate and know each other only as names on a posting board.

To be fair, humans had the law between themselves. The Ten Commandments is a prime example. It seems that what you are suggesting is that there was no Law between God and the Angels.
The original free choice between obedience(out of love and respect) also carried with it the possibility of rebellion.Lucifer chose to rebel. Its not as if God made him evil. He simply chose it.