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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Tangle writes:
Keyword: *unqualified* You've already admitted that you carry on listening to the random brain farts of unqualified YouTubers if they are saying something that you already agree with and like the way they're saying it. Are you qualified? Is AZPaul3?Is Theodoric? How about Percy? (Mr.Washington Post himself! ) And how about the Washington Post itself?How about "government officials?" Powell Yellin et al. Lets discuss what being qualified really means.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Allegedly, he claims that under a CBDC system, the government itself will have the information (or the Federal Reserve) and that the private transaction information can be more easily accessed. The system already exists. The Fed, the government, your bank, your grocer can already find out everything useful there is to know about you. You have been manipulated into every purchase and its social acceptance since 8th grade. If there was real advantage to be had with these new national bitcoin-wannabees, the corporate world, not the governments, would be leading the charge.
I think that the fear being peddled is that a government could profile its citizens to a degree through such transaction information. The databases are already there. A bitcoin is not necessary. The government can, and does, profile the intricacies of individual, group and societal money flows now, today. All they need is the will, reason, excuse and a staff of database programmers.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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But why do you think this yahoo is? BTW, I don't have a Ph.D but I am fairly highly educated, formally and informally.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Keyword: *unqualified* Are you qualified? Is AZPaul3? Is Theodoric? Of course I am qualified. I am well qualified. I have studied and participated in economics, banking, macro- and micro-economics for more than a lot of years. I have studied the discipline on a nerd level with an MBA. And another masters nerd in computers. What am I qualified for? For being skeptical of conspiracy crap especially involving my known nerd proclivities.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Percy Member Posts: 23074 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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I don't think denial and pugnacity are the answer. What I find most amazing is that you haven't lost everything.
--Percy
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Taq Member Posts: 10348 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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I did get a chuckle out of the conspiracy theorists who refused to get the COVID vaccine because they thought Bill Gates had put a tracker in the vaccine. The epidemiologists I work with actually used de-identified cell phone tracking to measure mobility during the pandemic to help model viral spread. They were worried about the non-existent tracker in the vaccine, all the while us tricky scientists were tracking them with their phones. Not an article from our group, but a similar approach:
It’s complicated: characterizing the time-varying relationship between cell phone mobility and COVID-19 spread in the US | npj Digital Medicine
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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They were worried about the non-existent tracker in the vaccine, all the while us tricky scientists were tracking them with their phones. And the conspiracy theorists all post selfies on Facebook every time they blow their nose, and all the other exciting events in their lives! Those guys sure aren't living off grid.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Taq writes: The BRICS nations are maneuvering to someday compete and oust the US Dollar from global currency reserve status. As long as the US Federal Reserve keeps "printing money" (A euphemism nowadays...only 3-5% of total dollars circulate in paper form) the value of the dollar will not continue to hold down stronger forms of wealth. What I am more interested in is why you think CBDC's are any more a threat to First Amendment rights than any other sort of digital record-keeping that has been going on for the last 5 decades?Our dollar is fiat. (as are many currencies) but is backed by nothing. nada. zero. zilch. The BRICS plan on backing their currencies with hard assets such as gold, oil, lithium, and even copper and steel. Since our greedy industrialists allowed such industries to relocate near areas of cheap labor, we have enjoyed an artificial cheap economy of clothes, shoes,paper products, steel, and electronics. The top 10% own 90% of all wealth (in the form of value of dollars). Meanwhile, the other investors(talk about rubes) trust the products being offered by financial "experts". NVIDIA, for example, is a vastly overvalued stock that anchors many investment portfolios. So is Apple. So is Amazon. Tesla. Etc... In fact, our stock market is arguably propped up by companies that buy their own stocks. How the Fed took control of the economy The problem is the FED itself. By propping up markets that should be allowed to decline in normal cycles, they have become self appointed financial wizards that manipulate the economy at the expense of valid assets that should be allowed to rise. The US middle class is in for a rude awakening one of these days...and its their own fault for believing what the financial advisors and markets tell them. No, I'm no expert. No, I do not have a crystal ball...I do not know what is going to happen exactly or when, but my only argument is that the US financial system is not sound and is overdue for a correction. A MAJOR correction! What worries me is what will happen to my pension and my social security, but I trust that the government will focus on the needs of the majority rather than be beholden to the top 5%. The top 5% have the liberty to diversify, after all. Not only to they have hard assets, they have rare art, for example. They have real estate (though that market is itself in a bubble and should correct within 2-5 years) and they have patience and the wherewithal to whether the storm. Progressives want to tax the crap out of the wealthy, little realizing that the entire assets of the Forbes 500 would not put a dent in the national debt.My problem with going fully digital is that the government will tax everything at their discretion. I couldn't even sell my car to a private party without getting taxed on my profit from the sale. And I dont believe that government should be allowed to have their hand in everyone's pocket. You guys sometimes treat them as if they are a giant secular church! And I don't believe that the US should keep debasing our currency and diluting the absolute value of our wealth (expressed through our currency). They better not have secretly sold off our gold reserves, because despite what many think, China has much mor gold than the CCP actually reports. Trust me, they can back their currency with a hard asset. I believe in the rights of the individual over the forced authoritarianism of a government that is desperate itself to become financially sound. Edited by Phat, : fixed a mistake Edited by Phat, .
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Percy Member Posts: 23074 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
You are hopeless.
--Percy
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 173 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
Percy writes: You are hopeless. But he looks forward to both a pension and Social Secuity, a circumstance enjoyed by a vanishing number of Americans. Only about 10-15% of the population qualifies for a pension, and a good number of those in state and local pension plans do not pay SS taxes and will not receive SS payments. Phat has provided for Phat. Good on him. Perhaps he has also hoarded gold. When the global trade order collapses from climate disasters and fascist wars, taking the industrial food supply chain with it, he can cast a golden calf to lead him through the US Patriots First roadblocks. He can't eat it; anyone stronger can take it. That's real money."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Hopeless? What precisely should I hope for? You and I trust different sources of information to be sure, but I compare 5 or more sources to increase the likelihood of credibility.
You quote dry statistics on US government websites. Remember the time we both found out that the US values its gold reserves at $35.00 an ounce to this day? It was you who spotted it and IIRC couldn't explain why.
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Omni writes: I do not claim to be any sort of financial guru. I am far from perfect. I have spent far too much money on addictions in the past, and I resisted letting the Bank manage my money which would have earned me a pretty penny as the markets went up for years. So I may be biased and a bit bitter. Phat has provided for Phat. Good on him. That being said, I am glad that I am not in any sort of system or party that calls the other guys out for being authoritarians and who committed the unpardonable sin of a tax break for billionaires. Meanwhile, the progressives want to raise taxes and help out the whole globe with our tax dollars, even though we ourselves need help. Is it so unchristian to support the idea of America First? Does not Percy take care of Percy? Does not Omni take care of Omni? I could go on down the peanut gallery roster. This whole idea of a global Western order with the power to weaponize the dollar and impose sanctions on any rogue state who dares fall out of line is authoritarian and requires the cooperation of the American people. Progressive largess created Trump. You have to deal with him because it looks like he will somehow beat the courts. May God help us.
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 173 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined:
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Omni writes: Phat has taken care of Phat. Good on him. Phat writes: Does not Percy take care of Percy? Does not Omni take care of Omni? I could go on down the peanut gallery roster. The kudo was sincere. I consider self-reliance a virtue. My main point was that your gold will be useless in the apocalyptic world you predict. It's heavy enough for bullets, but too soft. Also, you are more future-secure than most -- but you whine about it like tribal women keening for a death, i.e., like a little bitch. Otherwise, you bemoan national debt but mock progressives' concerns about Trump blowing trillion dollar balloons of it to cut taxes on billionaires. Progressives created Trump? Gee, I thought it was the racial fear and hate he stirred up in Prosperity Christians as he descended the escaltor. That and reality tv. What you regard as thoughts are feelings. Free yourself: Skip the next red pill, substitute a blue."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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Percy Member Posts: 23074 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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Phat writes: What precisely should I hope for? Rationality.
You and I trust different sources of information to be sure, but I compare 5 or more sources to increase the likelihood of credibility. Five people speaking nonsense is still nonsense.
You quote dry statistics on US government websites. Remember the time we both found out that the US values its gold reserves at $35.00 an ounce to this day? It was you who spotted it and IIRC couldn't explain why. It's because of US statute 31 USC § 5116-5117 so that the value of certificates issued on transferred gold between government agencies do not fluctuate in value. The current value is $42.22/ounce. I think it's a bookkeeping convenience for internal government accounting. When the U.S. government sells gold in the form of coins it is at far above the going rate. For example, consider this gold coin from the U.S. Mint:
It weighs 1 troy oz. and is nearly 100% gold. The value of gold today is $2156.50/ounce, but this coin sells for $3020. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Typo, improve image.
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Taq Member Posts: 10348 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
Phat writes: Is it so unchristian to support the idea of America First? What do you think Jesus would do with the people massed out our southern border, the people who are hungry, lack shelter, and are fleeing violence in their own country?
This whole idea of a global Western order with the power to weaponize the dollar and impose sanctions on any rogue state who dares fall out of line is authoritarian and requires the cooperation of the American people. I don't think you know what the word "authoritarian" means. If sanctions are authoritarian then every president in the modern era has been an authoritarian.
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