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Percy
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Message 271 of 382 (916547)
03-06-2024 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Percy
03-06-2024 10:08 AM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
Trivia question: How much does a pound of gold weigh?
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 272 of 382 (916548)
03-06-2024 12:29 PM
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03-06-2024 10:55 AM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
Taq writes:
What do you think Jesus would do with the people massed out our southern border, the people who are hungry, lack shelter, and are fleeing violence in their own country?
Securing a border does not mean blocking out people. It simply means having a method of screening desirable s from undesirables. There are many terror groups that seek to harm the US. Bring it down. Look what Hamas did to Israel. Trust me, if they had the weapons they would have done worse. (They still would...whats left of them.) We have a lot of shoplifters in our store, and many of them speak no English. They look at us as if we are nothing and walk right out a fire exit loaded with hundreds of dollars worth of goods. What would Jesus do about that? Thou shalt not steal! Now look...im no grinch. If a guy is hungry and grabs a sandwich, I look the other way. But when organized criminal enterprises steal from American businesses and force many locations to either close or employ armed guards then the situation is getting way out of hand. Corporate Loss Prevention spent two weeks at our store all of the way to closing time. They have the authority from Corporate to physically confront people and take back the merchandise. We literally had 6-8 carts full of recovered goods every shift. 20 tide pods. Razors. Wine. Beer. carts of meat. The store loses $4000.00 a day. And yet due to lenient policies on crime, nobody can be charged with a felony as long as the recovered goods do not exceed $2000.00 (In Colorado) Thats according to Alexa. I thought the amount was lower...like $900.00. One guy taunted them, saying he would be back tomorrow. He later came back the same night and stole $200.00 more under their noses, ducking out of a fire escape. Another guy pulled a knife on them. What *would* Jesus do? Arm guards? Taze them? Look the other way? allow them to keep stealing?
Personally I pray for most of them except the repeat offenders who fight the security.
We are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves, but that does not mean leaving our doors unlocked and inviting all of the homeless poor disenfranchised masses into our living room. Some of them are on drugs. Some of them have knives and guns. Some of them would hurt you or your children.

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AZPaul3
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Message 273 of 382 (916549)
03-06-2024 12:30 PM
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03-06-2024 12:26 PM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
Trivia inquire: On what planet?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 274 of 382 (916550)
03-06-2024 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Percy
03-06-2024 12:26 PM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
One would think it weighs a pound. 16 ounces. Thats 16 one ounce coins worth roughly
$33,000.00 dollars at todays prices.

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Phat
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Message 275 of 382 (916551)
03-06-2024 12:36 PM
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03-06-2024 12:30 PM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
The gold was too heavy for the Apollo astronauts to carry. Plus it was not on the science agenda. On the moon, 1 pound of gold would be 6 times lighter but would still be one pound.

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Phat
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Message 276 of 382 (916552)
03-06-2024 12:39 PM
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03-06-2024 10:55 AM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
I don't think you know what the word "authoritarian" means. If sanctions are authoritarian then every president in the modern era has been an authoritarian.
If so, every president is wrong. One does not weaponize the global reserve currency. It should be neutral. Freezing assets is another issue, but keep in mind that such behavior drives former allies into the BRIC-yard.

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Percy
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Message 277 of 382 (916553)
03-06-2024 12:42 PM
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03-06-2024 12:30 PM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
This one will do.
--Percy

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Taq
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Message 278 of 382 (916554)
03-06-2024 12:45 PM
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03-06-2024 12:26 PM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
Percy writes:
Trivia question: How much does a pound of gold weigh?
0.453592 kilograms.

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Percy
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Message 279 of 382 (916555)
03-06-2024 12:50 PM
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03-06-2024 12:45 PM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
--Percy

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Taq
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Message 280 of 382 (916556)
03-06-2024 12:51 PM
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03-06-2024 12:29 PM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
Phat writes:
Securing a border does not mean blocking out people. It simply means having a method of screening desirable s from undesirables.
Where in the Bible does it say that?
We have a lot of shoplifters in our store, and many of them speak no English.
Illegal immigrants commit crimes at a much lower rate than US citizens.
quote:
In 2018, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 782 per 100,000 illegal immigrants, 535 per 100,000 legal immigrants, and 1,422 per 100,000 native‐​born Americans.
https://www.cato.org/...research-illegal-immigration-crime-0
We are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves, but that does not mean leaving our doors unlocked and inviting all of the homeless poor disenfranchised masses into our living room.
quote:
Matthew 25:31-40
The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

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Message 281 of 382 (916557)
03-06-2024 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Percy
03-06-2024 12:26 PM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
12 Troy ounces, about 373 grams.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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xongsmith
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Message 282 of 382 (916558)
03-06-2024 12:59 PM


Pounding the pound
remember - a pound is a unit of weight. a kilogram is a unit of mass.
on the earth's surface 2.2 kilograms WEIGHS about a pound. yes, on the moon a gathering of gold enough to weigh a pound on the scale on the moon would still weigh a pound, but it would be about 6 times as much gold.
2.2 kg of gold would weigh about a pound on earth, but only 1/6th of a pound on the moon, but it still be 2.2 kg.
please keep weight and mass separated in your brain.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 283 of 382 (916559)
03-06-2024 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by Phat
03-06-2024 12:29 PM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
It simply means having a method of screening desirable s from undesirables.
Interesting. Who decides what is "undesirable?" How does a person become "undesirable?"
Also interesting is the specific language you use. Not just the choice of the word "undesirable," but "an undesirable" or "undesirables." Your language implies that these are objects, things, not people.
There are many terror groups that seek to harm the US.
Curiously, this has never even once been the result of immigrants illegally crossing the US border. Even the 9/11 hijackers had legal visas (some of which I think were expired, but that still means they entered legally).
Most (read: nearly ALL) mass shootings and other terror attacks in the US are the acts of US citizens. Not even naturalized immigrants, but natural-born US citizens.

“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon

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“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995...

"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings

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xongsmith
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Message 284 of 382 (916560)
03-06-2024 1:08 PM
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03-06-2024 12:36 PM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
Phat writes:
The gold was too heavy for the Apollo astronauts to carry.
Yet the Webb telescope has a gold mirror. And many satellites have gold parts on them because of the minimal chemical interaction.
The Apollo Astronauts had a major weight budget to meet. if gold was necessary it would have been carried. a smuggled sandwich in your uniform after you were weighed before getting into the capsule was courting with disaster.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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AZPaul3
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Message 285 of 382 (916561)
03-06-2024 1:08 PM
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03-06-2024 12:36 PM


Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
Then on the moon your scale would only show 2.72 ounces, not 1 pound.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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