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Author | Topic: Did Jesus Exist? by Bart Ehrman | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
i would suggest some college level courses on the historic method and historical research. There are universities offering some online. I could even help you pick some out.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 18047 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I’d suggest that you try it, but you’re obviously not ready for college. But carry on with this joke all you like, I’m still laughing.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Ok Mr. Historical research expert. Done with your disrespect. If I want to be treated like this and talk to someone this condescending I will talk to a creo. At least they admit they have no evidence.
Good day, SirWhat can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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RenaissanceMan Junior Member (Idle past 145 days) Posts: 30 From: Anaheim Joined: |
“I say unequivocally that the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.” – Sir Lionel Luckhoo, The Most Successful Attorney in History, according to the Guiness Book of Records
Simon Greenleaf – professor of law at Harvard in the 1800sHis three-volume work, A Treatise on the Law of Evidence, has been considered by The Supreme Court to be the greatest single authority on legal evidence. He said, “If the evidence for the resurrection was set before any unbiased courtroom in the world it would be judged to be an historical fact - Jesus Christ rose from the dead.” There remains, therefore, no supposition possible to explain the recorded phenomenon except the combination of the fructification and rupture of the heart. - Samuel Houghton, M.D., great physiologist from the University of Dublin/ We are told on eyewitness authority that “blood and water” came out of the pierced side of Jesus. The eyewitness clearly attached great importance to this. / This is evidence of massive clotting of the blood in the main arteries, and is exceptionally strong medical proof of death. It is all the more impressive because the evangelist could not possibly have realized its significance to a pathologist. the “blood and water” from the spear-thrust is proof positive that Jesus was already dead. - Michael Green, M.D. [The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict, by Josh McDowell, pages 224-225]
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Are you going to post this copypasta dreck on all the Jesus dude topics? That is poor form and probably a violation of forum rules.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
So on this post you claim Michael Green is an MD. Are you ignorant? Stupid? A liar? This is from Green's 1968 book "Man Alive". He was a Theologian with a Doctor of Divinity, so no real education and certainly nothing in medicine.
Michael_Green_(theologian) This has your Michael Green quote and footnote for the source.God Looks At Your Heart - Historical Proof that Jesus was really Dead Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Changed structure of first link, to get it to go to where the unchanged form should have but didn't go to the correct place. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 18047 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Christian apologists spout outrageous falsehoods. Hardly a surprise.
The evidence for the Resurrection is incredibly weak and no rational court should accept it.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
I think this must be his strategy: saturation bombing forums with his drivel and he occasionally makes a sale. They can add up, I think there's an Audible version as well. I looked it up on Amazon and probably contaminated my online footprint, but the religious nutters lose interest in me pretty fast...
![]() Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
He even sent me a private message. I swear I don't know this guy.
Private Message writes: Were I an administrator I would boot the guy for being a spammer. And I'm not clicking on any of his links. From ChemEngineerTo Phat Dear Brother in Christ, Please see my website Proof-There-Is-No-God.blogspot.com I recently published a book you would certainly enjoy and reference. BrilliantCreations-The-Wonder.blogspot.com Dr. Orosz said it "is beyond incredible. Please send me twenty autographed copies."You can read it on Amazon.com AddByEdit: I think I found him. But then again, maybe not.
Jukebox Mind Its the same guy, but he does not mention Jesus even once, so I know he is fake. Maybe the whole persona is made up and the reason is only to spam. Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, .
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PaulK Member Posts: 18047 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Essays of interest:
Courtroom Apologetics shows how the case is rigged.
Critique of John Warwick Montgomery’s Arguments for the Legal Evidence for Christianity. Retired attorney Richard Packham takes on a prominent example.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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That is him. Spammer and shyster.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
You present an interesting rabbit trail but that stuff doesn't help my faith much, though it adds to my rational database.
![]() I suppose that you Peanut Gallarians want to encourage me to critically evaluate my faith, but it didn't do much for you. Still, it makes for an interesting discussion between us.
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PaulK Member Posts: 18047 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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It’s no more of a rabbit trail than ChemEngineer’s post. Less so, since i provided links to actual essays rather than copy-pasting someone else’s blurbs which just repeats other people’s assertions.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
quote: Which Bible? Here is a website called History For Athiests.
quote: I would have to say that the first known Bible was not a forgery. It consisted of actual copies of actual graphs from a guy actually named Paul. It is not mostly pseudographical. It was not apocryphal. Not the first known Bible from just before 150 CE.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
quote: Carrier is often mentioned by you, but you never show us his scoring technique. He actually has a grading scale for every piece of evidence. He has responded to his critics by challenging them to quantify the evidence using their own scoring system centering around Bayesian analysis and the statistical scale. He responds to his critics, by pointing out that he does grade the James references as evidence for the history of Jesus. You never show us his scoring system for any individual item. (also, he has not been found guilty of crimes. He only is certainly loose sexually, but the crimes were never demonstrated, were they?)
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