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Tanypteryx
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Message 3691 of 3731 (917028)
03-19-2024 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 3690 by Tangle
03-19-2024 8:04 AM


Re: Saved for what?
Tangle in Message 3690 writes:
What I do remember are children in my class with calipers on their legs caused by polio. Those were the ones that survived it. I remember much talk amongst adults of children in 'iron lungs' until they died. A close friend died of measles and the girl across the street that I'd promised to marry died in an epileptic fit. Most adults seemed to have false teeth. Teachers could abuse kids with impunity - belting them with whatever implement came to hand from wooden blackboard dusters to purpose made canes.

Although I didn't know it - being a child - food was poor post-war and some families in my street had no men.

We were free to roam and we went everywhere on our bikes, but the roads had far less traffic then, not everyone had a car.

Doors where quite definately locked, burgalry wasn't invented in the 21st century. It was the age of consumer goods and electronics, stuff in house was worth stealing.
I'm amazed how close your memories are to mine.
I can remember that there was a secret economy among the boys in my school in WWII medals and ribbons that were secretly removed from our dad's uniforms hanging in closets. And it turned out that most dads didn't care at all, they didn't want to talk about the war and seemed to mostly want to forget.
Like you, we went everywhere on our bikes and there were rules where we could go and how we conducted ourselves, but once we were out of eyesight, we had our own rules, and no parental warning could compete with dares from our mates. We did a lot of dangerous stuff, but most of our badness was endangering ourselves rather than breaking laws. Two of the boys in my gang were the sons of the police chief, so we understood there were real consequences if we broke some rules.
Polio was a huge fear for our parents and we all knew kids that couldn't come to school anymore. When I was in 9th grade a high school girl was found murdered in the park and the case was never solved. Around that same time a man shot his whole family including a boy a year behind me in school, he was the only survivor.
The good old days weren't always so good, but I had a happy childhood and was incredibly lucky to have had parents who encouraged all my weird interests. My dad was completely deaf in one ear from a mortar exploding close to him in the war and lost most of the hearing in his other ear from spending his life working in a sawmill. I remember lots of kids with dads who suffered from the war. I finally got him to talk about the war when he was in his 80s and then understood why he tried so hard to keep me out of Viet Nam.
I remember that girls HAD to wear dresses in school, everyone had to walk to school and during the years in primary school there was a lot of snow in the winter and the girls all wore pants that they had to change out of once they got to school. I don't know why I remember that so vividly, but I can remember thinking how unfair it was right from the 1st grade on. I remember wondering why my home state of Oregon was the only one to elect a woman for the U.S. Congress, Edith Green, and why there were whole segments of the job market that were completely off limits to women.
Tangle writes:
Society has always changed, some things have improved beyond recognition, some things feel like they're not as good, but when looked at objectively there's been a steady rise in living standards and a steady fall in crime for centuries. Those improvement are because of our secular institutions - religious belief is a drag on progress.
My dad was an atheist and my mom was a christian and I was forced to attend church and as far as I was concerned it completely ruined every Sunday. When I was a kid I made up my mind I would not do that to my kids. I taught my daughter about the bible and christianity, but also cautioned her to be a skeptic and NEVER trust anyone who says they know anything about god or Jesus, because they could not possibly know anymore than she did, which was nothing, and to always demand evidence. And she taught my grandkids the same thing.
ABE: well I just looked up Edith Green and I was mistaken about her being the only woman in Congress.
Wikipedia:
A Democrat, Green first ran for political office in 1952 as the Democratic candidate for Oregon Secretary of State. She was defeated in a close race by incumbent Earl T. Newbry.[5] In 1954, she was elected as the representative for Oregon's 3rd congressional district, defeating Republican nominee (and future Oregon governor) Tom McCall. Green was the second woman (after Nan Wood Honeyman) to be elected to the House from Oregon, and one of only 17 women in the House at the time of her election.[3]

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GDR
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Message 3692 of 3731 (917046)
03-19-2024 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 3686 by Theodoric
03-18-2024 8:36 PM


Re: Saved for what?
Theodoric writes:
plains of Canada and no First Nations? Weird. Oh yeah they were in government schools being tortured and killed.

All those people that did those evil things were christians.
What was done to the first nations people was horrendous and that was during the time I was referring to. I have to admit I was told unaware of it. Everyone else I knew was in the same boat.
I would add that the major evil was what the government did by taking kids without parental consent and even forcibly if necessary. The churches were charged with educating them and in most cases they were reasonably well treated. Certainly some of the teachers treated the kids badly but most didn't. The whole thing though is a horrendous black mark on Canadian history.
The whole evil plan though was to assimilate the kids into a European culture. The expression often used was that the goal was to take the Indian out of the Indian.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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Message 3693 of 3731 (917047)
03-19-2024 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 3687 by Tanypteryx
03-18-2024 8:44 PM


Re: Saved for what?
Tanypteryx writes:
I think you are looking through rose colored glasses and where you grew up may have been insulated from what some of us saw growing up.

I graduated from high school in 1965 and remember a lot of civil unrest in the 50s through the 70s. I remember college students being shot for protesting, and there was a lot more than the war in Nam being rebelled against, post WWII.

My mother's side of my family were all ranchers and they all locked their doors at night and when they were not at home. All the families I knew growing up locked their doors and vehicles. Burglars didn't suddenly pop into existence in 1997 or something. I think it's a rural myth that "nobody locked their doors back in the old days."

One thing we didn't have here in the U.S. is more guns than citizens or nearly as many citizens.
Maybe I was insulated from the problems. I moved all over Alberta as a kid but did all of my high school in Medicine Hat graduating in 1961. I think that the late fifties were quite different than even the late 60's, with the Viet Nam protests.
Where I was people didn't really worry much about locking things up. There was nobody living on the streets and very little crime.
I certainly wouldn't say that nobody locked their doors but it wasn't at all unusual.
My grandfather was a rancher in the 30's and like many of the other farms in the area he had a sign on the front gate for those wandering around looking for work could go to the house and get something to eat even if no one was home.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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Theodoric
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Message 3694 of 3731 (917050)
03-19-2024 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 3692 by GDR
03-19-2024 8:35 PM


Re: Saved for what?
Yeah. Good times.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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dwise1
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Message 3695 of 3731 (918829)
05-30-2024 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 3292 by ICANT
12-13-2023 8:48 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Tying up a few loose ends. I've been meaning to reply to this one for months now.
ICANT writes:
nwr writes in Message 3290:
Theology -- the fine art of making up stuff as you go along.
I thought that was what science did.
No, making stuff up is indeed what theology does. Though not usually as crudely as you and candle2 do, ICANT.
The problem for theology is that it has no other option, because, unlike science with its observable and testable subject matter, theology's subject matter cannot be observed, idea about that subject matter cannot be tested, and the very existence of that subject matter (eg, the gods) cannot be determined. Theology literally has no other recourse but to make everything up as it goes along.
Science provides a sharp contrast to theology. What does science do? Science looks at how the natural world works and creates a description of how the natural world works. Then science creates hypotheses of how things work and test them, leading to eliminating those hypotheses that do not work. Out of that process of forming and testing hypotheses come scientific theories which are described as:
Wikipedia:
In science, the term "theory" refers to "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."
In sharp contrast, theology nothing to base itself on: no body of facts exist about the supernatural except for stuff that people have made up, and there is no way to test any theological claims except for testing for internal consistency with other made-up stuff. Theology has no other choice but to simply make up stuff about the supernatural, which leads to all supernatural claims falling apart.
To put it another way: Science is about studying the natural world, while religion is only about the supernatural, for which there is no known physical evidence nor could there ever be any physical/natural evidence for any supernatural thing. Science is dedicated to studying the natural world while all that theology has to study is stuff that has just been made up.
And it doesn't matter how many millennia religion has been making up stuff (eg, the Bible), it's still made up. Goebbels was wrong: regardless of how many times or how loudly you repeat a lie, that lie will never become the truth.
 
While there is no basis for theology outside of making stuff up, that does not automatically make all its claims false, only that there is nothing to indicate them to be right. It is possible for theology to get a few things right for no other reason that sheer blind chance. And, of course, balance those few things that they just happened to have gotten right with the mountains of the things that they get wrong. And it doesn't help that there is no method for theology to identify those few possibly right things. Unlike science, whose core is built around testing and verifying and correcting, theology not only has no self-correcting mechanisms but the very idea of testing and correcting beliefs is forbidden in most religions.
It is self-evident that while a vague idea might accidentally be right, a highly detailed idea is highly unlikely to be right, and the more intricately detailed the less likely for it to be right.
ICANT, in your and candle2's "fundie cat fight" you both fought most strenuously over the minutiae in your highly detailed theologies, which by their very nature are virtually guaranteed to be wrong. You may as well have been arguing over who or what can or cannot lift Thor's hammer, Mjölnir: "If you put it in an elevator it will lift it. Elevator's not worthy."
And, yes, that's what we see as the level that you are arguing at.
While you have left, having better ways to waste your time, candle2 is still here preaching his obviously false theology in all its extremely minute details. He actually seems to think that we're supposed to take his made-up nonsense seriously!

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Zucadragon
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Message 3696 of 3731 (918833)
05-31-2024 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 3695 by dwise1
05-30-2024 2:17 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
I would add to this that theology doesn't lead to actual discovery, yet after discoveries have been made through the scientific method, theology doesn't hesitate to claim their sacred texts described this discovery already, so look, truth in these texts!
I always found that part really strange, especially by creationists claiming something like the bible can be used as a scientific book, because it makes 'predictions' that have come true. Again after the fact.
For example, this one:
“Creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay.”
(Romans 8:21; also Psalm 102:25-26)
where creationist link this to the second law of thermodynamics.
But it's not like the second law of thermodynamics was discovered through reading the bible. Nope. So you know, claiming after the fact that this proves the bible to be scientific is the same as saying Nostradamus's predictions are accurate because in the years after his death, some vague predictions seem to fit events that have happened.

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Message 3697 of 3731 (918836)
05-31-2024 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 3695 by dwise1
05-30-2024 2:17 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
I wonder if ICANT knew he wouldn't be returning. All his posts end with "God Bless", but his very last post, Message 285, ended with "Gentlemen".
--Percy

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Message 3698 of 3731 (918880)
06-06-2024 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 3696 by Zucadragon
05-31-2024 3:30 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Zucadrago, you stated:
"I always found that part really strange, especially by
creationists claiming something like the bible can be used
as a scientific book, because it makes 'predictions' that
have come true. Again after the fact."
***The Church that God placed me in knew for certainty
that the defeated and divided Germany would be reunited.
at the end of WW2.
I Remember the Berlin Wall that separated the two
Germanies. At that time I could did not believe that
they would ever unite into one.
We kmow that Germany will once again rise to become
a mighty military and economic power.
We know that Germany will be the dominant power of the
10 headed beast mentioned in Revelation 13 & 17.
We also know that the 2nd beast (which is the image of
the beast in chapters 13 & 17) is the Roman Catholic
Church.
We knew that Britain would withdraw from the European
Union.
We know what will befall the British Commonwealth and
the U.S. in the last days.
We know the identity of these brother nations. And, we
know that God will once again use Assyria to punish to
punish us for our wickedness, and for turning from Him.
But, enough of that.
You don't believe in spirits and demons.
Famous, wealthy, and powerful individuals around the
entire globe sell their souls (lives) to him to in order to
get what they desire.
Here I will limit this to magicians. Magicians make pacts
with demons in order to achieve their goals.
Many of these pacts involve demons serving the magician
while the magician lives, and then the magician will serve
the demon after they die.
What these magicians don't realize is that they will not
receive eternal life in any shape or form.
The demons use them in order to show that Jesus, Himself,
was nothing but a magician.
Type in "Demon Magic" on Youtube, and you will see
that many of these magic acts are impossible without
the assistance of spirit creatures.
For instance, a magician will hold his hand up an card
after card will come from it.
One can slow the action down, or stop it and he will
see that these cards materialize out of thin air. They do
not come from up their sleeve, or anywhere else.
These magic acts are impossible to explain by natural
means.
Watch these magic tricks closely and you will see that
supernatural forces are at work.
Another site is:
"Magicians prove a spiritual world exists"
The Bible is not needed to prove this.
We know this because the Germans are descendants of
the ancient Assyrians. Th Bible tells what will befall
Assyria in the last days.

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Tangle
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Message 3699 of 3731 (918881)
06-06-2024 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 3698 by candle2
06-06-2024 10:45 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Tell me this guy hasn’t got a vote

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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dwise1
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Message 3700 of 3731 (918882)
06-06-2024 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3698 by candle2
06-06-2024 10:45 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
And yet again, you avoid writing an actual reply by posted a long rant consisting of nothing but made-up nonsense. Completely made up, like your most previous few dumps in the another topic, The Glorification and Worship of Torture. That is almost exclusively what you have done in your hundreds of dumps in this forum (your count being 867 "messages" ATT ("At This Time") ).
Even sadder, the few times that you have even tried to say something about reality, you instead post utterly false BS. Basically lying out of your ass every single time. And then when asked about those lies, you either double down on lying or you switch to dumping a shipload of irrelevant made-up nonsense.
Don't you have anything to contribute other than lies and made-up bullshit?

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Zucadragon
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Message 3701 of 3731 (918883)
06-06-2024 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 3698 by candle2
06-06-2024 10:45 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
We kmow that Germany will once again rise to become
a mighty military and economic power.

We know that Germany will be the dominant power of the
10 headed beast mentioned in Revelation 13 & 17.
When though? When exactly, oh that is unclear, not said. So it's a lousy prediction, I can do the same you know, predict that Africa becomes a world dominating power, or India or Japan. And if it happens now, or 2000 years in the future, it can then be claimed my prediction came true, because hey, there's a good chance at some point various countries will become super powers. It's a useless vague prediction like Nostradamus would provide, no date, no actual predicting power.
At some point, in the future, it will happen.
Here I will limit this to magicians. Magicians make pacts
with demons in order to achieve their goals.

Many of these pacts involve demons serving the magician
while the magician lives, and then the magician will serve
the demon after they die.

What these magicians don't realize is that they will not
receive eternal life in any shape or form.

The demons use them in order to show that Jesus, Himself,
was nothing but a magician.

Type in "Demon Magic" on Youtube, and you will see
that many of these magic acts are impossible without
the assistance of spirit creatures.

For instance, a magician will hold his hand up an card
after card will come from it.
You realize that this is sleight of hand right? Magicians are skilled in taking actions out of sight so it seems like things appear and disappear magically. That is the trick, that's what they learned about. I highly recommend you watch a few seasons of "Penn and Teller" excellent show "Fool us" where various magicians come on to try and challenge Penn and Teller's life long experience with doing magic tricks.
In most cases, even when you yourself or I can't see how the trick is done, they do know how the trick is done, because that's what it is, tricks. Most contestants therefor lose the challenge, because they're using techniques that Penn and Teller are very well versed in.
That you think this is actually magic is very interesting to me. It's pretty wild to me that you never looked into explained magic tricks and how they work and somehow didn't realize that it's all tricks and sleight of hand. and in some cases, blatant video editing.
Here's a good example, if you don't know better, you're thinking, woah, he's pushing a card through solid glass. But this guy shows you how it's done, showing that it's just a trick. Videos online of magic tricks in particular often don't tell you that they're using editing tricks to make it seem more magical.
A great youtube resource that deals with a lot of editing of this sort is called Captain Disillusion, he explains a lot of video editing tricks, how they are done, what their effect is, debunking a lot of videos not only about magic, but about aliens, ghosts, weird stuff happening, I highly recommend you take a look, because next to being informative, he's also pretty hilarious.
(I for some reason can't add a video of him, but look up The Magic of Will Tsai, a dude who was very successful at America's Got Talent, showing off his magic trick, here is the video of that, so you can wonder about how it's done:
Then, afterwards look up Captain Disillusion's video on Will Tsai, and it'll all be explained to you.
The Bible tells what will befall Assyria in the last days.
The question here again is not about 'what' but about when, again, like with many other bible predictions, they're vague and open and can fit a whole slew of situations so at any time when something happens, you can say, see, the bible predicted this.
But that is also a trick, a sleight of the mind really in this case, I can predict right now that cataclysm will befall this planet somewhere in the future, I'm not sure when, but we will deal with floods, extreme weather, whole regions of the world may become unlivable and it's because of our sins that this happens.
Now obviously, sin has nothing to do with it, I'm looking at the science, where our climate change growing disaster is taking us, it may take 100 years, or 200, or perhaps 500 years, but we set in motion events which will end up with us struggling to deal with these problems.
If In 300 years time, say the Netherlands, which is half under sea level, protected by dams, gets a big breach and gets flooded, most of the country will be under water and I would have been right.
But that's what makes it a useless prediction, next to the fact that we know this is coming, I'm not saying WHEN this is going to happen beyond some time in the future. If I say specifically, in 10 years time, and it doesn't happen, I'll just be wrong, but if I say "Sometime in the future" I can be right no matter how long it takes.

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dwise1
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Message 3702 of 3731 (918884)
06-06-2024 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 3701 by Zucadragon
06-06-2024 12:24 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
That you think this is actually magic is very interesting to me. It's pretty wild to me that you never looked into explained magic tricks and how they work and somehow didn't realize that it's all tricks and sleight of hand. and in some cases, blatant video editing.
I'm reminded of an interview I read/saw with the debunker (a term he didn't like, preferring "investigator") The Amazing Randi, a former stage magician who turned to exposing frauds and fakes.
In recounting how he got started, the story turned to an incident at a carnival. In the mentalist act, the mentalist was amazing the audience of rubes by answering their written questions before having opened the sealed envelope (parodied by Johnny Carson's Carnac the Magnificent where he would tough the envelope to his turban, give the answer, and then open the envelope to read out the question - eg, in 1974, "Shake and Bake" answering "What do you call a double feature of 'Earthquake' and 'The Towering Inferno'?" which was followed by theaters offering said double feature). Randi immediately recognized the old trick of reading one envelope ahead, such that he was pretending that the previous question, which he had seen, was the current "sealed" one -- (refer to the 1947 original or the 2021 remake of Nightmare Alley). From the audience, Randi exposed what the mentalist was doing and how he was fooling the rubes surrounding him, to which the rubes turned against Randi.
That taught him that the rubes want to be fooled.
"Rube" is USA slang with synonyms such as "country bumkins" and "yokels" (the title of the article), defined on Wikipedia as:
quote:
Yokel is one of several derogatory terms referring to the stereotype of unsophisticated country people. The term is of uncertain etymology and is only attested from the early 19th century on.
Yokels are depicted as straightforward, simple, naïve, and easily deceived, failing to see through false pretenses. ... Broadly, they are portrayed as unaware of or uninterested in the world outside their own surroundings.
candle2 is a rube who wants to be fooled. It's an article of faith for him. He will never dare to even consider learning the truth, because his god forbids it.

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Message 3703 of 3731 (918885)
06-06-2024 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 3702 by dwise1
06-06-2024 1:06 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
I love the Amazing Randi, he did a whole thing offering up 1 million dollar if anyone could prove they were doing actual magic, something that is explainable through no other means than magic. Many have tried, all have failed.
It was great to see these 'magicians' struggle as Randi would introduce a new item or system and suddenly their powers wouldn't work anymore.
A notable one is ofcourse the humiliation of the spoon bend guy, Uri Geller, but the one that stood out to me the most and I remember most vividly is someone who with the power of their mind, could flip pages of a phone book without touching them.
He showed this trick a few times and it worked flawlessly everytime, and then Randi said he thought the guy was just very carefully blowing air from his nose to make the page flip, so he put packing peanuts around the phone book, which would move about if it was the guy just breathing.
Suddenly, he couldn't do the magic trick no more, talking about negative energy from the packing peanuts and other mumbo jumbo explanations for why it didn't work.
It's great to see charlatans and liars sweaty and nervous.

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candle2
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Message 3704 of 3731 (918888)
06-06-2024 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 3700 by dwise1
06-06-2024 12:04 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Dwise, you wrote:
"And yet again, you avoid writing an actual reply by posted a
long rant consisting of nothing but made-up nonsense."
***people who cannot explain something try to write it off.
With all your scientific knowledge explain to everyone just
one of these magic act.
Explain how hundreds of cards just appear out of thin
air in the magician's hand.
Did it just happen naturally, much like you assert that
the first life began?
If you know the answer, then tell us! But, if you can't
explain it, stop trying to say that it is not important.
If it cannot be explained by natural means, the only
thing left is supernatural.
If demons exist, God exists.
I am simply showing the supernatural without using the
Bible.

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DrJones*
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Message 3705 of 3731 (918890)
06-06-2024 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3698 by candle2
06-06-2024 10:45 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
what a sister fucking hillbilly.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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