The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?

Well, we don't know if your evidence should be accepted or not until you present it.I'm beginning to think you were telling porkies and it will turn out that your whole argument is "The Historic Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?" I foolishly expected more.We can't reject your evidence until you present it.Here you are with a free forum with people begging you to present your hypothesis and the evidence that supports it and that explains all our observations and you run away like a shy little girl.

ICANT proposed this topic. We thought he was going to show us something interesting.We have literally begged him to tell us his hypothesis, but instead he quibbled about what we think.If his hypothesis is about the creation of the Universe, you would think it would need fairly complex explanations for all the observations that we already posses and that are better than the explanations scientists have already made, wouldn't you?

I started working on this response before ICANT wimped out but then got busy with other stuff. I'm posting now because even though he probably will not read it, I will have finished my thoughts. Interesting, I always thought astrophysicists started using the designation "dark energy" when referring to the observation that the expansion of the Universe seems to be speeding up, apparently refuting the prediction that the expansion is slowing down. They see an affect, but have not discovered what causes it, in other words, "they are in the dark about the cause," so the called it dark energy. They could have called it Chuck but Dark Energy sounds a lot cooler.I haven't heard about any connection between Dark Energy and Dark Matter other than both have "dark" in their names, because we do not know what causes the affects that astronomers have observed. Dark matter is a doubly good name because we can see its affects on gravity, but whatever causes it is does not emit any electromagnetic radiation (light), so we don't know what it is AND it's dark.Wow, so "Obedient Universal Magical Construction Energy!" Wouldn't that be a hoot if IT turned out to be Dark Energy? I have no idea what you did OR thought 15 years ago or what took of at lightspeed.Hmmmm, I don't get that part, why does Jesus even need to use tools like energy?

ICANT:

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He would only have to think it there. Remember He is all powerful.

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I don't follow your reasoning here at all. I don't think science has actually proved that and how is eternity an obvious consequence? How can you know this? Wow, we're pretty lucky then, we could have all ended up as Moorlocks! Yeah, there are millions or probably billions of different possible conditions of our solar system that would have kept life like we have here on Earth from ever arising and evolving. We call the idea that conditions allow life on this planet The Anthropic Principal. Nope, I didn't ask how old the Universe is. And the paper that recently proposed a 28 billion year age was rejected for lack of supporting evidence, so no help there. Well, that may be because there is no possible way to answer that question because you have no way of know how long it took or if that question has any meaning in relation the beginning of the Universe. I have noticed that you have a bunch of different meanings for the term "existence," sometimes you use it as a place, sometimes as a time period, sometimes a a state of being, and sometimes as an action. You seem to have existed in a very confused state of existence during your whole existing in existence.

If Elenore Roosevelt had wings...

Usually that is not the case, that's why attorneys rely on expert witnesses to explain their expert analysis of evidence.I notice that you didn't actually cite any actual evidence. You know, that could be independently verified. I don't know what atheists reject, summarily or otherwise. I have never heard of atheist nihilism, so whatever is contrary to it is a mystery.I notice you posted the same message in another thread. I sure hope you don't turn out to be a spam posting troll.

ICANT already conceded that it is all BS, so go for it.

Funny, I was just thinking about this as I read Rahvin's post below Message 394.When I realized I didn't believe in God anymore, I remember thinking, "if it exists and cares if I believe, it will say so." And then I carried on with my life studying thing that interest me.This is supposed to be an entity capable of creating a planet and hearing all my thoughts, but it cannot communicate other than by imitating natural phenomena (give me a sign), really?Oh look, that cloud's giving me the finger, must be a sign from God. Nothing is too silly to convince you believers.If it wants acknowledgement from me it will have to try harder. It will take hard, irrefutable evidence, not faith in vague signs.

It's all total fiction, but Fuck your God anyway!
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Fuck satan too!All gods are fiction, imaginary, invisible, powerless figments of your imagination.It's pathetic that your fear of god is the only reason you are a halfway decent human being!Anything is better than having to spend eternity with the likes of you! I have always seen girls as far braver than boys.ABE: And by the way, you don't get to assign one of your fictional gods to me, so go fuck yourself! Satan is all yours, Asshole!

He was really, really pissed off when he found out that turds are made out of atoms, just like he is.

Come on, you know that's a relief, considering the alternative is eternity with million and millions of assholes like candle2!

Saying someone didn't ask to be born is like saying the sky is high. AND I am quite clearly NOT ASKING FOR ETERNAL LIFE. No one is blaming you for anything other than your own words. And it's not our fault if you choose to rebel against Pink Unicorns. See, this is YOUR misunderstanding of how I feel. I despise YOU, not your fictitious god. My fight is with your religion not your invisible, imaginary friend. We are absolutely entitled to despise you and ignore your imaginary, invisible, powerless god, AND to tell you that your eternal afterlife is also fictional and imaginary. Well, it's mostly because that's the way the Universe actually works. I fully expect eternal death and I'm satisfied with the life I have had. It has been far better than most of humanity endured. I have descendants (and I really fear the planet we are leaving them) and many friendships and I'm grateful to many people who have made my life better, and I have published a few things that might last as long as our civilization lasts. I value my life a lot, but I value the non-human life (biology) on this planet more. I don't long for a different life, I will take this life for as long as I have it.

No one thinks this. This is gibberish. Rocks don't dream.

Panties? Really, a Roman named Panties? He invented underwear, right?

I heard he was a swimmer.