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Author Topic:   Morality without God is impossible
ChemEngineer
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Message 466 of 472 (917515)
04-09-2024 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 464 by Admin
04-09-2024 4:07 PM


Re: Moderator Comment
Moderator Comment:
Most of your post is a cut-n-paste from The Evolution Fraud or some similar webpage.
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It is the policy of EvC Forum that posts be original contributions. The goal is for discussions to avoid become mere cut-n-pastes.
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This website does not make it easy to respond with quotes. I hit the "REPLY" link and it only comes up with REPLY WITHOUT QUOTE. I see no link for "REPLY WITH QUOTE.
That's one problem.
Second is the absence of a simple link to embed an image in a reply. Why do you make it so difficult?
In other websites, it's very simple.
As for 'cut-n-paste,' I am the original author of the assessment of titin's insuperable statistics. I wrote it and submitted it to a biochemistry professor who agreed with it completely and then a friend who has a PhD in biochemistry who seconded the vote.
Then I posted it on my website which I have assembled over a period of decades from a wide variety of sources. So my posts are anything but "cut-n-paste."
What seems to me to be cut-n-paste is the universal condescension and snideness of Darwinists, who follow Richard Dawkins' advice: "Ridicule them! Mock them! With contempt!"

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Taq
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Message 467 of 472 (917518)
04-09-2024 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 465 by ChemEngineer
04-09-2024 4:14 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
ChemEngineer writes:
YOU said "occur through abiogenesis," I did not.
You implied abiogenesis here:
"Only Levorotary (left-handed) amino acids were used, not Dextrorotary (right-handed) amino acids, so 1 in 10 to the 49,618th power has to be multiplied by 1/2 to the 38,138th power or 1 in 10 to the 11,480th power. One more time for all consecutive peptide bonds, which are equally probable as the random formation of non-peptide bonds, thus 1/2 to the 38,138th power."
This would only apply to abiogenesis since the pathways that build amino acids in life have no problem with only producing left handed amino acids, nor do they have a problem with repeatedly linking amino acids through peptide bonds in the same order over and over and over.
Or do you think each and every protein in the human body is the product of some supernatural miracle? Do you reject the known and well understood process of protein translation?
I said "Original synthesis." As in the first human who had titin in their muscles.
Titin was already present in the common ancestor of all vertebrates.
ChemEngineerMBA: "handful of sequences." Does that come terribly close to 10 to the 79,000 in number of possible sequences?
Ahh, we finally come to the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. You are painting the bulls eye around the bullet hole.
The handful of sequences repeated over and over is exactly what titin is. You can look for yourself here:
titin [Homo sapiens] - Protein - NCBI
Look at all of the domains listed. Notice how they are all related to Ig? That's immunoglobulin. It's just a bunch of repeats of immunoglobulin motifs with some fibronectin motifs thrown in.
Ten to the minus 50 is "impossible."
I can show you a simple experiment that disproves your claim.
Get a deck of playing cards. Shuffle them. Lay out the cards one by one face up, and record the order of the cards. The order of cards you just produced has a 1 in 52! chance of occuring, or 1 in 8x10^67 chance of occurring. And yet, you did it on the very first try.
Impossible? Hardly. Events with those types of probabilities happen every nanosecond on Earth.
You're trying to compensate for that with a "handful."
You are committing the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.
I have read several of Dawkins' books and critiqued them, and sent my critiques to his publisher. The best Dawkins could do was call me names and ignore my valid critiques. Same thing occurred with Isaac Asimov and Carl Sagan.
They are valid why? Because you say so?
You think monetary wealth is a measure of fitness? If so, I can understand why scientists would laugh at you.
Many thousands of scientists around the world have published papers and books refuting your Darwinian religion.
I find it hilarious when religionists try to discredit the theory of evolution by calling it a religion. Hoisting and petards come to mind.
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument.

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Taq
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Message 468 of 472 (917520)
04-09-2024 5:00 PM
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04-09-2024 4:21 PM


Re: Moderator Comment
ChemEngineer writes:
As for 'cut-n-paste,' I am the original author of the assessment of titin's insuperable statistics. I wrote it and submitted it to a biochemistry professor who agreed with it completely and then a friend who has a PhD in biochemistry who seconded the vote.
Did neither of these people teach you what protein translation is or how it works?
Do you think the proteins in your cells are just randomly assembled sequences from an equimolar pool of both L- and D- amino acids?

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Message 469 of 472 (917528)
04-09-2024 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 467 by Taq
04-09-2024 4:50 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Taq in Message 467 writes:
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument.
I would like to add that to my signature, please?

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If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Message 470 of 472 (917530)
04-09-2024 5:44 PM
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04-09-2024 4:21 PM


Re: Moderator Comment
ChemEngineer in Message 466 writes:
This website does not make it easy to respond with quotes.
This website began life in 2000, long before Javascript WYSIWYG composition boxes became widely available.
To quote text use the [qs] dBCode. For example, this:
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Becomes this:
This is quoted text.
You next say:
Second is the absence of a simple link to embed an image in a reply. Why do you make it so difficult?
In other websites, it's very simple.
To include an image use the [img] dBCode. For example, this:
[img]https://www.usmessageboard.com/data/avatars/l/71/71813.jpg?1711305826[/img]
Becomes this:
There are many dBCodes, and you can find them documented at dBCode Help. This link can also be found to the left of the message box when you are composing a message.
As for 'cut-n-paste,' I am the original author of the assessment of titin's insuperable statistics. I wrote it and submitted it to a biochemistry professor who agreed with it completely and then a friend who has a PhD in biochemistry who seconded the vote.
Then I posted it on my website which I have assembled over a period of decades from a wide variety of sources. So my posts are anything but "cut-n-paste."
From the Forum Guidelines:
  1. Avoid lengthy cut-n-pastes. Introduce the point in your own words and provide a link to your source as a reference. If your source is not on-line you may contact the Site Administrator to have it made available on-line.
Because of the problems you encountered composing messages I will cancel your daily post count limit.

--Percy
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Taq
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Message 471 of 472 (917532)
04-09-2024 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 469 by Tanypteryx
04-09-2024 5:34 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Tanypteryx writes:
I would like to add that to my signature, please?
Permission granted.

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Message 472 of 472 (917543)
04-09-2024 9:30 PM
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04-09-2024 5:44 PM


Re: Moderator Comment
hilarious pic.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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