The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?

Dwise, God gave Adam the responsibility to care for His
creation, as well as the ability to understand it.There is an order to the the world. There are laws of nature
that were established by the Creator. These law are
constant.The mere fact that these laws are constant forms the
basics for science and experimentation.There is logic to everything that God does. Logic is not
made up of matter. Logic cannot evolve, nor can it
decrease.Creationists deny the Creator, but they rest their beliefs
on this very foundation.If these laws were determined by an evolutionary
processes they would be evolving, changing.But they are stable. And they always have been.Genesis 8:22 tells us this:"While the earth remains, seed time and harvest, cold
and heat, winter and summer, and day and night shall
not cease."The universe and its laws are being upheld by God and
His Son. Hebrews 1:3.Without Him upholding His Creation it would crumble,
and fall into decay.Things that are out of order never evolve into a state of
order. The exact opposite is true.The supposedly uneducated men who wrote the Holy
Bible understood this. This is why Paul states that God
is upholding it.If He were not doing so it would crumble and decay.God is upholding it is the reason we are able to perform
experiments and make predictions.If you believe that your brain is nothing but the by-product
of pond scum, why would it matter what I think?Why be so defensive of a theory that has no evidence.I believe that you know God exists. I really do. But, as
Romans 1:18-20 states, you suppress the truth.God's creation and its laws proves this to you.

Percy, I have mentioned Jesus many times. I was prepared
to give more outside the Bible evidence for Jesus and
miracles attributed to Him, but you said that no more
was needed.None of us can go back in time; all we can do is produce
evidence. Most people will interpret the evidence to fit
their worldview.Personally, it does not bother me that the board sometimes
gets off the topic. I am flexible.

Tanypteryx, you wrote:"And once evidence is distorted to fit their world view
it loses it's value as evidence."***Evidence can be distorted by anyone. No group has a
monopoly on it.It is an accepted fact that Jesus lived and died. He was
crucified on a stauros. The majority of scholars accept
this as fact.The disagreement is in the resurrection of Jesus from
the dead.Many scientists refuse to accept this because it goes
against nature and physics.Note that it is not science that reject the resurrection;
it is scientists who reject.Scientists reject the resurrection because it involves the
supernatural. They make assumptions.Everybody knows that no one dies and comes back to life.
It is, by natural processes, impossible.But, by utilizing the same logic, it is also impossible for
life to come from non-life, from nothing. This is the law
of nature.The Apostles and Disciples believed that Jesus rose from
the dead.A man will give his life for a cause that he believes, even if
the belief is wrong.But a man will not give his life for a known lie.The disciples ran when Jesus was arrested and crucified.
They were scared to death.They did not expect their Messiah to come back from the
dead.Once the Messiah of a cult is dead, the cult falls apart.
Jesus' disciples denied knowing Him. They were hiding
behind closed doors (for fear of the Jews) when the
resurrected Christ appeared to them.The Jews believed that the Messiah would overthrow the
Romans and establish His Kingdom when He appeared.Jesus did not do that. And worse still He was treated as
a common criminal. He was taken, beaten, spat on, and
crucified. He died a horrible death.Every bit of belief that they had in Him was now purged
from them. He was not the One.These same men, who feared for their lives, were suddenly
emboldened. They were no longer afraid to die. Only one
explanation will suffice. The saw and embraced the living
Lord: Jesus.Men did not believe in the resurrection because of the
New Testament. They believed in the New Testament
because of the resurrection.I will write the rest of what I want to say after I walk the
dogs at the pound.I love these dogs, and I hate to see them living in cages.
I walk each if them for 15-20 minutes twice a week.I do this at two animal shelters. I would like for more
people to visit their animal shelters. There are many dogs
and cats that need a hood home.Some have been horribly treated.

Tanypteryx, I want to make it clear in that everyone at that
place and time knew exactly where Jesus was buried.He was placed in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea, a
wealthy Pharisee, and a member of the council.It is also clear that (Matthew 27:62-66) pilate, by request
from the chief priest and Pharisees, posted guards to
watch over the tomb.The Pharisees fearing that His (Jesus') disciples might
steal His body, were told to make it as secure as they
knew how.It was closely guarded.It were the women who found the empty tomb. In that
day and environment, women were not to be highly
trusted.The courts of the land did not value the word of women.
Their word was of non-importance.Knowing this, why the the writers of the New Testament
record that it were women who found the empty tomb?Because it was the truth.Paul wrote his first epistle to Corinth around 54-55 A.D.
This was roughly 23-24 years after the death of Christ.Paul states in 1 Corinthians 15 that the risen Christ was
seen by Cephas (Peter), then by the 12 Apostles. Vs.5.After that Be was sewn by over 500 brethren at the same
time. The majority of them were still alive at the time Paul
was writing this. Vs. 6. Over 500 is a lot of people.Some say that they were suffering mass hallucinations.
But these people did not expect to see Jesus alive.Paul states in verse 7 that James, the half brother of Jesus
saw Him.James did not believe that his brother was the Messiah.Who would believe this about their brother?James became a leader of the congregation in Jerusalem.
He was martyred because of his great faith.Paul was a hostile witness for Christ. He had brought many
Christians to Jerusalem to be beaten or killed. He despised
Christians. Vs.9.Miraculously, Paul became the the biggest supporter of
Jesus. Why, because Jesus appeared to him.Pail was beaten, put in chains, and locked on prison
numerous times for his faith.All of the Apostles suffered greatly for their preaching
of the risen Christ. All except John was Martyred.None of them recanted their faith. They died because
of it. No one dies for a known lie.They are the greatest witnesses for Jesus Christ. Their
lives were dictated by what they heard and witnessed.No force on earth could persuade them to deny what they
had witnessed.

Tanypteryx, you wrote:"It is not an accepted fact, by billions of people, and you
have not demonstrated that a majority of scholars
accept it, considering that you have shown no verifiable
independent evidence that it is not fiction."
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"What does this have to do with the subject of this thread?"I was reprimanded for getting off topic, but I believe I was
on topic.I respect the moderator and his position; therefore, I will
explain why I did so, and no longer post on this topic.The topic "The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe"
is under "Religious Issues."More importantly it is also under "Faith & Beliefs," which is
anything dealing with historical science. Historical science is
based on assumptions.Since no one was around when the universe was created, we
are limited to the evidence that we have.What is that evidence?The Bible makes numerous claims about Jesus the Christ.Fulfilled prophecy is one piece of evidence.
Returning from the dead is another piece of evidence.I have already addressed why I believe the eyewitnesses to the
resurrection.Historical science and observational/operational science are
very different. Observational science shows conclusively that
to return from the death is not possible without supernatural
Interference.Life does not come from nonlife. Historical science cannot help
us here. Observational science can.There are at least 4.3 billions Christians and Muslims that
believe Jesus existed. This is more than half of that world's
8 billion people.In addition, many Hindus also believe that Jesus existed.
Many Hindu religious and political leaders venerate Jesus as
an Avatar. He is often times placed in the Hindu Pantheon.But, contemporary scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus
existed.Biblical scholars and historians view theories of His non-existence
as being effectively refuted.In any event, observation science is quite certain that life
did not come from nonlife.And if life came from pre-existing life, the pre-existing life very
well might be the Creator of all.There is no way to answer the question without evidence for
or evidence against Jesus creating the universe.I will read your reply, but I won't post on this topic again.