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Author Topic:   The disconnect between the bible, and its horrific actions versus the message
Zucadragon
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Message 1 of 57 (919300)
07-06-2024 3:05 PM


I've never proposed a topic, but I kinda got to this through the Panda's thumb blog, and the various links and posts I read from Christian and other posters.
It all mostly focuses on Noah and his family, and how through creating the ark, they manage to be saved from the calamity that is brought down by God. But I started thinking about the idea if I'm in that position, with my family, disregarding the animals, the care, the idea logistics of it all.
How would that feel? Because I can't imagine Noah didn't know anyone else BUT his family, as you grow up and build a family, you meet a lot of people, you deal with a lot of folk, friend or foe.
But then you're dealing with a situation where everyone else but you and your family, will be killed. Drowned, and you're all that's left.
I know people who have been in warzones and have PTSD, who have seen friends or even just enemies die in combat and the toll that has one those people, and how they remember it and how it haunts them at times. And I can't get over the fact that this one family, trudged through a global flood, killing literally everyone, left a ruined world in their wake basically, and were fine to just start up again without showing any struggle.
How do Christians deal with that idea? I'm not exactly sure where to put this. But I wanna know how someone can get their mind around the fact, that for instance, if something like this were to happen today (Even though in scripture, it won't ever happen again) and today being the first time, and they survive while the whole world around them dies, that they can look up and see benevolence in God. Kindness or caring, love and trust.
If anyone else around us managed to kill a hundred people, they'd be hated, even if they had some grand goal, some good intention (somehow) behind it. Yet there's a God who has killed and destroyed the entire planet so to speak, and it's barely given a second glance beyond how much of a lesson it is to us.
How would one deal with the friends, the family, the friends and acquaintances they've grown up, fondly in some cases, because it couldn't be a world with just evil people, a society can't run on just evil deeds. How would they deal with that or even think about that?
I want this to be a discussion not about the specifics of how it can or can't happen, but about how a human would deal with such an event, or how it affects them. What would people think if something like that situation happened to them, all aware of their goals to get through it, but also they would lose by going through it.

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Zucadragon
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Message 5 of 57 (919312)
07-06-2024 11:01 PM


Yeah, but even then, the story is taken as a lesson about the folly of people and how it comes crashing down. That would work for me if it was peoples own actions that caused them to crash down, but even symbolically, it's still the God that provides the punishment.
I could kinda understand it if it's humanities own wickedness that causes its own downfall, that we reached to high like Icarus flying towards the sun and that all comes crashing down. But it's not that, God decided humanity was wicked, and so all get killed. What is the point here?

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Zucadragon
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Message 9 of 57 (919327)
07-07-2024 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Percy
07-07-2024 6:44 AM


This perfectly brings me up to another point actually. Heaven and hell. So if you're a good Christian you go to heaven. If you follow the commandments, worship God, that's where you'll go.
And this heaven is eternal bliss, it's heaven after all. But what if your family doesn't follow your example? They will go to hell, for eternity.
How could you feel good in heaven, knowing that the ones you love, the ones you care about, are suffering eternally? I know I wouldn't be able to feel good in such a situation. So does that mean in heaven you forget all worldly connections? Because I don't see another way for one to enjoy the joy of heaven, when that sort of past is weighing down upon you.

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