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Author Topic:   The disconnect between the bible, and its horrific actions versus the message
Taq
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Message 15 of 57 (919395)
07-08-2024 3:27 PM
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07-06-2024 3:05 PM


Zucadragon writes:
How would one deal with the friends, the family, the friends and acquaintances they've grown up, fondly in some cases, because it couldn't be a world with just evil people, a society can't run on just evil deeds. How would they deal with that or even think about that?
A modern retelling might involve a bomb shelter and a nuclear apocalypse.
There would be an awkward moment a few months after they left the Ark once they realized who their kids' marriage prospects are. Family reunion turned singles mixer.

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Message 25 of 57 (919432)
07-10-2024 4:58 PM
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07-10-2024 1:59 PM


GDR writes:
Firstly I would say that the message that we should take from the Noah story that no matter how bad things get, God doesn't give up on us.
Really? God wipes out billions of people, and from this you get the impression that God won't ever give up on people?
The flood story IMHO is a legend that grew up within various cultures around some local flood centuries ago.
The Noah story is a rather obvious copy of the Utnapishtim flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh. The story in the Epic of Gilgamesh has an ark with family and animals, birds finding a branch after the flood, and a rainbow after the flood. The Noah story appears to be a retelling of a known story in a Jewish context with undertones of cultural appropriation.

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Message 39 of 57 (919455)
07-11-2024 12:39 PM
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07-10-2024 6:35 PM


GDR writes:
The point is even if there is only one righteous person left God isn't giving up on us.
That's not the point I get from the story. God gave up on a lot of people, those who weren't the one righteous person. God is telling us that if you aren't righteous then he will give up on you.

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Message 40 of 57 (919456)
07-11-2024 12:42 PM
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07-11-2024 12:08 AM


Re: No Creator Owes Anyone Anything
Phat writes:
All of the people gave up on themselves and the idea of God and spread nothing but war, greed, and envy. They became the decisions that they freely made. So did Noah's family.
No one freely chose to drown. That was forced onto them.
This whole idea of outrage towards a hypothetical "God character is so misguided.
It's normal human behavior. We do it all of the time. Haven't you ever watched a movie?
We become the decisions that we make and will reap what we sow. No Creator owes you anything. Grow up.
We are talking about a Creator who went out of his way to kill people. No one chose to die. The Creator chose to kill them.

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Message 46 of 57 (919466)
07-11-2024 3:24 PM
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07-11-2024 2:13 PM


Re: No Creator Owes Anyone Anything
jar writes:
Particularly all the little children and animals who had done nothing to deserve death.
This was especially so in the Exodus story where God killed the first born as punishment for Egypt's leadership not freeing the Hebrew people. Takes a special kind of evil to kill peoples' children for not doing what they tell them to. And it's not as if God has something against slavery either because he allowed the Hebrew people to put foreigners into chattel slavery.

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