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Message 70 of 181 (919368)
07-07-2024 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by nwr
07-07-2024 10:49 PM


However, only one of those was quoting me. So you have not actually shown any contradiction in what I wrote.
Yeah, sentences from you and me are contradictory, but even though CFCs can act as greenhouse gases since they are not being produced they are not contributing to the Earth's Green House Effect at this time or coincidentally destroying ozone either.
I should have phrased it more clearly.

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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
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The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Message 73 of 181 (919371)
07-08-2024 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by USA 1776
07-07-2024 11:58 PM


So the ozone layer is keeping you from being raptured? OK I get it now. Carry on.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Message 87 of 181 (919387)
07-08-2024 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Theodoric
07-08-2024 8:42 AM


Re: Still unanswered questions about halon and its use
How would halon have helped? Did the NYFD have large quantities of halon prior to the ban? How would they have used the halon? How did they use it prior to the ban?
These tall skyscrapers present specific issues for fighting normal fires above certain elevations, but as far as I know, no fire suppression systems have been designed to put out fires caused by jet airliners crashing into them. Existing fire suppression systems in the buildings were destroyed by the crashes.
The only way they could have delivered halon to the Twin Tower fires would have been with airliners filled with halon crashing into the tower fires. The north tower collapsed 102 minutes after the crash and the south tower collapsed 56 minutes after the crash. There may have been experts who knew the towers were going to collapse but it astonished the rest of the world when it happened.
I was at work the morning of 9-11. I gave my wife a wake up call every morning at 6am (even though she was always awake by then), so she tells me an airplane has just crashed into the Trade Center and it's on fire and 3 minutes later she says another plane just crashed into the other tower and the air is full of paper! Until that moment I was thinking Piper Cub sized airplanes, I mean how could airliners accidentally crash into a building, they don't fly that low...but the second crash instantly made it clear we were under attack. Later, when I got home, I already knew the buildings had collapsed, but actually watching it over and over was an extraordinary experience, matched only in my experience with Kennedy's assassination, and the Challenger explosion.
I can't imagine any suppression system that could have saved the Twin Towers and I don't think you are going to get satisfying answers to your questions from USA1776, since he]s really here to bash the evil atheist environmental movement standing in the way of the fossil fuel industry that God invented.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 92 of 181 (919399)
07-08-2024 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Theodoric
07-08-2024 12:34 PM


Re: Still unanswered questions about halon and its use
They are curious to see what this yahoo comes up with.
I am too, but I'm not holding my breath. So far, he has spent his time quibbling that what each of us said about CFCs being greenhouse gases wasn't the exact same words. I guess he expects pro-science people to follow a script, because that's what he seems to be doing. We have seen this technique of arguing about minute details rather than ever answering questions about what he's already said and its implications.
He's the one who presented this topic and made statements that were devoid of details that we could look up for ourselves. So far all we've got from him are baseless assertions without supporting evidence that is refuted by 30 years of scientific research by hundreds of thousands of scientists from around the planet.
This whole topic seems like an attempt to use the environmental movement as evidence that America is turning away from Jesus and that God is going to smite the Holy Crap out of all of us. And if we only had Halon we could quench the fires of hell!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 95 of 181 (919404)
07-09-2024 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Theodoric
07-09-2024 8:53 AM


Re: Halon redux
Halon 1301 is used only in fixed extinguisher installations and is a total flooding agent.
So what happens to people in a room flooded with halon?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 98 of 181 (919408)
07-09-2024 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by nwr
07-09-2024 10:56 AM


Re: Halon redux
They die. They will suffocate because there's no oxygen.
Well, that's better than water then. I have noticed that people drowning during a fire is quite rare, though.
USA 1776 was spewing bullshit.
It will put out fires too, but it's stinky.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 99 of 181 (919409)
07-09-2024 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Taq
07-09-2024 11:16 AM


Re: Still unanswered questions about halon and its use
He seems to be arguing that CFC's are incapable of depleting the ozone layer because one of the CFC's is useful for putting out fires.
And also that, "environmentalists disagreeing about that are modern day examples of those who "suppress the truth in unrighteousness, in order to maintain and serve their evil interests, and they serve and worship money, power and the created, rather than the Creator. They prefer not to retain God in their knowledge, and as a result, many other problems follow."
Funny, that sounds like an accurate description of fossil fuel executives, rather than the environmentalists I'm familiar with...drill baby drill and give us our "tax subsidies" now and forever.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 101 of 181 (919411)
07-09-2024 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Taq
07-09-2024 5:50 PM


Re: Still unanswered questions about halon and its use
I guess if the world is created by God physics stops working or something so we don't have to worry about the consequences of pollution.
Flood physics.
Yeah, their other get out of jail free card is that as long as Armageddon is looming it won't be noticed anyway.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 124 of 181 (919478)
07-11-2024 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by USA 1776
07-11-2024 6:58 PM


USA 1776 writes in Message 116:
This is wrong.
Then it should be easy to provide scientific evidence supporting that.
USA 1776 writes in Message 116:
The logistics or strategy as to the best way to approach those buildings, both inside and outside, after having been struck, would probably be an interesting discussion to have with the fire dept. Whether all the fires could be successfully be extinguished, or whether the buildings' collapse could have been prevented entirely is not relevant.
Of course it's relevant, because you are STILL FAULSLY IMPLYING THAT IF THE NYFD HAD HALON THEY COULD HAVE PUT THOSE FIRES OUT ON 9-11 BEFORE THE BUILDINGS COLLAPSED!
The north tower collapsed 102 minutes after the crash and the south tower collapsed 56 minutes after the crash.
There would have been no way to deliver halon to those fires in that amount of time and no way to smother those fires (keep oxygen away long enough to cool off and no longer support combustion) because jet airliners crashed into those building at high speed and full of fuel and blew the windows out and breached floors and ceilings. The fires heated the support girders so much they buckled and they would have reignited fires as soon as oxygen was reintroduced.
What's also relevant is that 9-11 all happened 23 years ago and cannot be changed and you are trying to pretend that the environmental movement and Green New Deal and atheists are partly to blame. Your behavior here is contemptable!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 167 of 181 (919562)
07-15-2024 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by jar
07-15-2024 3:23 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
That is why if there is a heaven it will be filled with Buddhists and Taoists, and Animist, and Atheists
Hopefully I would be able to opt out if I found myself in that unlikely situation!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 170 of 181 (919565)
07-15-2024 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by jar
07-15-2024 5:57 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
Some of that food sure sounds great, but heaven would only work for me if I'm with my 4 best friends with our cameras and our nets on a dragonfly stream with specimens that challenge our skills to the max every day!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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