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Author Topic:   The Salesmen of the Green New Deal
Percy
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Message 144 of 181 (919511)
07-13-2024 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by USA 1776
07-13-2024 3:45 PM


Re: Be nice
USA 1776 writes in Message 140:
You may or may not agree with all aspects of "fundamental evangelical Christianity". This is not a valid argument against those both inside and outside Christianity that defend the freedom to use CFCs, which have been implicated falsely under the tenets of your earth worship.
It's you who's mixing science and religion. It was you who made a number of very specific accusations that those committed to protecting the environment were abandoning God. You're right that Christianity can't be used as an argument in favor of destroying the planet's environment, but it was you who first introduced that very argument. For example, here's what you said in Message 1:
USA 1776 writes in Message 1:
The Green New Deal is a problem and chief enemy of the United States, and it is an enemy of your soul, because it is a byproduct of vain philosophy that denies that the earth was created by an intelligent, master designer. Its salesmen are modern day examples of those who "suppress the truth in unrighteousness", in order to maintain and serve their evil interests, and they serve and worship money, power and the created, rather than the Creator. They prefer not to retain God in their knowledge, and as a result, many other problems follow. (Romans 1)
In contrast is the belief in the Creator; With it comes the natural trust that though a person may not know everything about the workings of the universe, he can rest assured in its durability and design, and know that normal industry does not pose an existential threat either to himself or the planet on which he lives.
Please end this lying for Christ and let the blame for weaponizing religion against the environment rest where it belongs: on you.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 147 of 181 (919514)
07-13-2024 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by USA 1776
07-13-2024 4:21 PM


Re: learn to read.
USA 1776 writes in Message 143:
This is yet another example of trying to dispute the practical validity of the illustration to disprove the point.
You've quoted nothing and I'm sure no one has any idea what "illustration" you're referring to.
The reality is that you and others have not demonstrated any valid evidence that man is responsible for "global warming",...
The actual reality is that you're a liar for Christ because such evidence has been presented to you in multiple messages by multiple people. For just one example see my Message 113, to which you've yet to respond.
...because there is none.
You can't make evidence go away simply by refusing to acknowledge it.
Concocted evidence has been used in defense of this movements narrative since its inception, and computer generated models have been used for that purpose since their introduction in 1985 by Wolfgang Seidler.
This is just you making stuff up. You haven't offered any evidence ever in this thread. You might be the only participant that's true of.
The fact that this "evidence" is not accepted does not make one ignorant, belonging to a cult, or unable to read or think.
The only reasons you've given for rejecting the evidence for climate change is that you're a Christian and that efforts to counter climate change are telling you what to do. In effect you're saying, "Hey, God's on my side (trust me on that), I'm right, I don't need no evidence."
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 148 of 181 (919515)
07-13-2024 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by USA 1776
07-13-2024 4:35 PM


Re: Be nice
USA 1776 writes in Message 145:
"Boy, talk about not getting it. Jar was saying the exact opposite. I'll try to approximate what Jar was actually saying, which I think is that it is you and fundamentalist evangelicals in general who have perverted Christianity by using God as your excuse for imposing your religious views on others regarding a wide variety of things, from the environment to gender to marriage to abortion."
Are you trying to do Jar's thinking and speaking for her?
Nice quotation marks. Click on the "Peek" button to see one way quoting can be done here. See dBCode Help for the details.
I'm trying to interpret simple English for you. Do you have any comments on what Jar actually said rather than your misinterpretation?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 152 of 181 (919519)
07-13-2024 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by USA 1776
07-13-2024 5:11 PM


Re: Be nice
USA 1776 writes in Message 149:
"It's you who's mixing science and religion."
That's right, and there has never been a posting made against it.
Huh? Are you mental? I've called you out on it several times, and maybe others have, too. Are you arguing that we should be mixing science and religion?
"It was you who made a number of very specific accusations that those committed to protecting the environment were abandoning God.
You're right that Christianity can't be used as an argument in favor of destroying the planet's environment, but it was you who first introduced that argument."
No, these comments are just silly now. Go back and read the postings again; You won't find anything here against preserving the environment.
You've been arguing against protecting the environment from the very outset. You even said we don't need the EPA, here you are saying exactly that:
USA 1776 writes in Message 106:
It was not, and is not necessary to create new government departments, such as the EPA...
Moving on:
If you really knew much about Christianity, you would know that Christianity hold's stewardship of the environment as very important.
I'm just holding you to what you say. You seem to have little regard for consistency or the truth, saying whatever's expedient at the moment.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 156 of 181 (919538)
07-14-2024 12:41 PM


Please Ignore
Originally posted in wrong thread.
--Percy

  
Percy
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Message 162 of 181 (919556)
07-15-2024 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by jar
07-15-2024 2:02 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
jar writes in Message 161:
Why do you keep lying when everyone can actually read Matthew 25 and see that it was the followers of Jesus that were the goats while it was the folk not following Jesus that were the sheep.
From Why Does Jesus Say He Will Separate the Sheep and the Goats?:
quote:
Jesus is the Shepherd, and in this verse, He said that He will separate sheep (believers) from goats (unbelievers) when He returns. The sheep represent those who have accepted salvation and the goats represent those who have rejected salvation.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 171 of 181 (919566)
07-15-2024 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by jar
07-15-2024 3:17 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
The sheep are asking when did they ever help Jesus himself, and Jesus answers that when they helped the least that they also helped him.
The goats are saying that they did help Jesus himself, and Jesus answers that because they did not help the least they did not actually help him.
The sheep on the right, the true believers by evidence of their actions in helping the least, are rewarded with heaven. The goats on the left, not true believers by evidence of their actions in not helping the least, are not rewarded with heaven.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 175 of 181 (919583)
07-16-2024 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by jar
07-15-2024 7:35 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
Jesus doesn't divide the people of all nations by whether they were followers but by whether they helped the least, who would be rewarded with heaven. Though the passage isn't explicit about it, also helping Jesus, i.e., what you're terming a "true believer," would not have been held against them.
A side note: Contrary to what most evangelicals claim, Matthew 25 says that the peoples of all nations will be judged according to their deeds, not according to whether they accepted Jesus into their hearts as Lord and Master.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 177 of 181 (919585)
07-16-2024 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Phat
07-15-2024 9:27 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
Phat writes in Message 173:
Drag Queen story hour at the local library does by and large *not* produce good fruit. It simply displays a secular ideology and LGBQT Rights. I would think twice before letting my kid immerse themselves in progressive culture.
You deserve credit for one thing, not attempting to hide your bigoted attitudes.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 179 of 181 (919589)
07-16-2024 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by jar
07-16-2024 7:59 AM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
But what I was originally responding to was this in your response to Phat:
jar writes in Message 161:
Why do you keep lying when everyone can actually read Matthew 25 and see that it was the followers of Jesus that were the goats while it was the folk not following Jesus that were the sheep.
In Matthew 25 Jesus doesn't divide people into followers and non-followers in the way of modern evangelicals. He addresses the people of all nations, regardless of whether they knew him or not, and divides them into those who will be rewarded with heaven and those who will not based upon the way they lived their lives.
I think the message to Phat and candle2 and Dredge and so forth should be that their posts indicate that they may not be living their lives in a way that would be rewarded with heaven. The lack of compassion for the least (migrants at the border for just one example) seems proof positive of that.
--Percy

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