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Topic: The Salesmen of the Green New Deal
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 103 of 181 (919413)
07-09-2024 8:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 102 by jar
07-09-2024 8:29 PM
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Re: Still unanswered questions about halon and its use
Now to see if he responds with more stupidity or tells his pastor how he taught us a lesson. Fuck being nice.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 109 of 181 (919445)
07-11-2024 7:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 106 by USA 1776
07-10-2024 8:13 PM
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Re: Be nice
Evidently you are free to hurl fact free insults and no one is allowed to react with the derision you deserve. Fuck it. Moose can suspend me.
Though it is considered a "greenhouse gas", there has never been any evidence to support the theory that a greater amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has any appreciable effect on the climate, or on ozone depletion.
Not true, but as you are a liar for Jesus facts are irrelevant to you. Here is one of the simpler explanations why you are wrong. How Exactly Does Carbon Dioxide Cause Global Warming? – State of the PlanetIf you want anyone to believe your unevidenced claims, how about posting evidence or at least an actual scientist that agrees with you.
It was not, and is not necessary to create new government departments, such as the EPA
It has already been pointed out to you that the EPA was formed before any major concerns about ozone or global warning. Message 90 Therefore, you either are stupid, ignorant or just a liar. Take your pick. Let us know
"new environmental order" by way of a "comprehensive blueprint for the reorganization of human society".
Source for quotes please. What do you claim to know about Agenda 21? What a maroon.
In the past, the targeting of the Jews for elimination never stopped with just one group of people.
Atheism and its green gestapo is not worthy of your defense or support, and the day you choose to turn from it and begin to serve the Creator, rather than the created, will be the day that both your life and the life of the country will change permanently for the better.
Your utter lack of selfawareness is stunning. Show us the atheists driving this agenda. How many climate scientists are athesists? How many people creating and enforcing environmentally laws are atheists? Lol. Are you this guy? The Salesmen of The Green New Deal - Hernando SunThe Salesmen of the Green New Deal, Part III - Hernando SunThere does not seem to be a part 2, but they did publish other crap from this person. Certainly someone that should be listened to.
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Alex Doss is a musician and piano technician in Spring Hill and also has other areas of interest and knowledge.
Seemingly a classic Florida Man. Edited by Theodoric, : Grammar Edited by Theodoric, : Formatting
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 118 of 181 (919472)
07-11-2024 7:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 116 by USA 1776
07-11-2024 6:58 PM
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So you ignored my questions again and made more assertions with no source. How would halon have been used on 9/11 or in HI? Maybe you should crawl back under your rock.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 121 of 181 (919475)
07-11-2024 7:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 119 by USA 1776
07-11-2024 7:42 PM
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Re: learn to read.
Why was halon not used to stop these fire? MGM Grand fire - WikipediaDupont Plaza Hotel arson - WikipediaFirst Interstate Tower fire - Wikipedia Why is there no record of a fire department ever using halon on a structure fire? Why did no fire depts ever have a halon truck. They had tankers and pumpers, but no halon trucks. A vast conspiracy before the ozone conspiracy? Why was it never deployed for any wildfire in US history?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 122 of 181 (919476)
07-11-2024 8:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 119 by USA 1776
07-11-2024 7:42 PM
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Wrong. Still. Always.
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The toxicity of the Halon gases makes them dangerous to use in confined spaces. If it is to be used in such scenarios, precaution is required to minimize any inhalation of Halon. Avoiding all unnecessary exposure to Halon is considered good practice. This is because exposures to concentrations of 7% for more than 15 minutes can be very dangerous. The risk is minor when exposed to Halon in the 5-7% range as no noticeable effect can occur. However, at levels between 7% to 10%, the likelihood of toxicity increases significantly. That’s why, in places where Halon is still used and needed to be used, it is highly recommended that operators evacuate the space before proceeding
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There are a number of health risks associated with the use of Halon extinguishing agents. These include the following: • Frostbite: Skin that comes in contact with the liquid of Halon can cause frostbite and chilled skin issues.
• Suffocation: High concentrations of Halon can cause people to suffocate. This is because it can create an oxygen-deficient environment.
• Eye and Skin Irritation: Since Halon is toxic, it can cause damage to skin and eye. Irritation can occur even if there is no direct contact with Halon.
• Cardiac Sensitization: Halon can cause an increased heart rate and irregular heartbeats in response to adrenaline. It can even cause a heart attack in extreme cases.
• Interruption of the Central Nervous System: Inhalation of high concentrations of Halon can interfere with the proper functionality of central nervous system. In such cases, symptoms of tingling sensation and dizziness is expected. A victim can even go unconscious in some cases.
3 Ways That Halon Can Be Dangerous | We Buy Halon
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 123 of 181 (919477)
07-11-2024 8:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 119 by USA 1776
07-11-2024 7:42 PM
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And even wronger
Gee less than a minute of research.
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Health effects reported in some quarters associated with Halon extinguishers include Asphyxiation, frostbite, burns to the skin, as well as skin and eye irritation. Inhaling halon compounds in high concentrations can cause central nervous system disorders including dizziness, unconsciousness, and tingling in the arms and legs. Exposure to halon compounds may also cause cardiac sensitization resulting in irregular heartbeats and even heart attacks (in severe circumstances). This is because when halon is used on fires, it produces such decomposition byproducts as hydrogen chloride, hydrogen bromide, and traces of free halogens.
Halon Fire Extinguisher: How It Works And Its Limitations Sounds like pretty toxic stuff. So let me get this straight Halon is not real bad unless exposed to in high concentrations, but when used to put out a fire very toxic chemicals are released. Hmmm. Edited by Theodoric, : link
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 127 of 181 (919484)
07-12-2024 9:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 126 by jar
07-12-2024 9:10 AM
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Re: more basics
Impossible. Understanding basic science and rational thought is anathema to his political and religious agenda. Showinghim that he is wrong does not make him want to explore reality. It reinforces his idea that he and his dogma are correct and we are all evil atheists or satanists. As my father would say about the ultra religious.They live by the dogma. "Don't confuse me with the facts. My mind is made up." Besides. Who should we listen to, experts in the field or a piano tuner with unsourced, unevidenced claims? Edited by Theodoric, : Punctuation
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 129 of 181 (919486)
07-12-2024 11:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 128 by jar
07-12-2024 10:29 AM
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Re: an aside as seems to be my wont
We seem to be going down a rabbit hole, but I feel it is a very important rabbit hole. Maybe the peanut gallery can learn some lessons. Rarely, if ever, is there a silver bullet. Fires and fire fighting are a microcosm that can teach important lessons in life and in science. At times radical ideas are needed to overcome an obstacle. For example, high explosives used in order to put out oil or chemical fires. Other times the oldest simplest way is the most effective. Water. There is still no more effective way to put out a structure fire than spraying water on it. There is a wide variable between those two types of fires and many other types of fire. Depending on the circumstances of the fire and the fuel, the response needs to be and will be different. Halon was not some sort of magical solution for all fires. If it had been we would have been presented with some evidence of this. Instead all we received after multiple requests was more unevidenced assertions, from a person with no expertise in the field Halon's causing depletion of the ozone layer is a known, scientifically confirmed fact. The thinning of the ozone layer can have known, scientifically confirmed consequences on life. Global climate change has known and scientifically confirmed consequences on life. These are all backed by scientific evidence. This yahoo has presented no evidence or sources for claims to the contrary.. All we have received are more assertions from a person with no expertise in the field. So peanut gallery, I present to you a small snippet of the religion vs science debates. People on the science side have mountains of evidence. People on the religion side have unevidenced assertions. The religious decry expertise and rely totally on their gut feelings and what some else told them of how to understand their holy books. They then expect us all to follow this warped view of their scriptures. Then another religious nut comes along that has been taught a different view of the same holy books. We are expected to then accept this version Meanwhile, science putters along examining facts and data. At times someone will come up with new ideas of what the facts and data mean then other people will challenge them and try to come to the same conclusions. Usually they old view holds strong, but sometimes the paradigm does shift and science shifts with it. This is not a defect in science, this is science at its core, Edited by Theodoric, : Spelling
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 133 of 181 (919493)
07-12-2024 6:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 132 by Taq
07-12-2024 3:21 PM
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I think the argument is halon can put out fires and even if depletes ozone it is irrelevant because of jesus. Yadda yadda jesus. Yadda yadda jesus. The whole "can put out fires" seems to be a red herring. Edited by Theodoric, : Punctuation
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 135 of 181 (919498)
07-12-2024 8:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 134 by jar
07-12-2024 8:02 PM
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Re: One more aside: Home Fire Extinguisher types
Also, extinguishers have to be replaced after a certain period of time. My ABC extinguishers have a 12 year expiration.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 159 of 181 (919553)
07-15-2024 1:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 138 by USA 1776
07-13-2024 3:28 PM
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Re: learn to read.
How would halon have been used on 9/11 and Hawaii? Edited by Theodoric, : phone typing sucks
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Re: Learn to read the Bible
Yeah I would opt out of any heaven.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 176 of 181 (919584)
07-16-2024 7:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 173 by Phat
07-15-2024 9:27 PM
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Re: Learn to read the Bible
Well we already know you are a homophobic, Christian, white nationalist so this is not surprising.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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