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GDR
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Message 1 of 89 (920365)
10-03-2024 1:49 PM


What I want to know is why the Democratic party came to the conclusion that President Biden was cognitively impaired and should step down as the candidate but, leave him still in office.
Right now the the ports shut down in the US economy is in peril. Internationally between Ukraine and the Middle East the world is as close to a nuclear war as we have ever been. It has been a long time since the US has needed such strong leadership IMHO.
Why is a President with dementia still in office? If he left office VP Harris would become president unless I have a misunderstanding of your political system.
Put it wherever you like.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 4 of 89 (920368)
10-03-2024 2:57 PM
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10-03-2024 2:30 PM


Why then don't these politicians put on their big boy pants and get it done. The US is in crisis between the flood crisis and the ports being shut down, and the world is in crisis in the Middle east and the Ukraine and the rest of the world is likely to get drawn into this as well.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 8 of 89 (920373)
10-03-2024 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
10-03-2024 3:39 PM


I'm not commenting on how well he is handling any of these issues, You may argue this, but Pelosi and company one way or another got him to pull his candidacy. If he wasn't fit to be a candidate, what makes him fit to be president now, particularly with all that is going on?

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 10 of 89 (920375)
10-03-2024 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by PaulK
10-03-2024 4:39 PM


You're missing the point. Obviously the Democratic hierarchy believed that Harris was a better option to govern for the next 4 years. Based on that wouldn't she be a better person to be doing the job now?

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 18 of 89 (920387)
10-04-2024 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Taq
10-03-2024 8:21 PM


Taq writes:
They came to the conclusion that Biden couldn't win the election, not that we was cognitively impaired.
Ya, they came to the conclusion that he couldn't win the election because he was clearly cognitively impaired. Did you even watch the debate?

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GDR
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Message 24 of 89 (920395)
10-05-2024 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by AZPaul3
10-04-2024 5:01 PM


AZPaul3 writes:
GDR, We have enough problems with our domestic cult of Trumpettes. We don't need a Canadian cultist lying to us as well. You are being stupid beyond bounds. Seems you fell under the spell of some of the American mass media hype and disdain for reality that has so poisoned the debate on this side of the border.

You were supposed to be better than this. So you have always been a religious nutcase but you have also been somewhat reasonable about the glaring truths of undeniable reality this universe presents. Here you have abandoned all pretext of reason. This is very disappointing. You should be ashamed.
Unfortunately this is what usually passes for debate on this forum and why I don't much bother with it anymore. It is all about labelling and name calling. Yes, I'm a Canadian but my wife is dual and votes in the states. One of my sons is an American and living there with his family. I have two grandsons who are police officers and another one who is a US Marine. I think I have reason to be concerned about what goes on south of the border.
Then as usual because I have a different opinion than you, you label me as a liar and stupid. Then I'm a religious nutcase and have lost all pretext of reason.
This is your idea of reasoned debate and how you respond to a question that I asked without trying to present any form of reasoned argument.
Have a good day.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 26 of 89 (920398)
10-05-2024 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by PaulK
10-05-2024 1:28 PM


PaulK writes:
I should point out that you aren’t treated the way you are because of differing opinions. Your arrogance and lack of concern for the truth have a lot more to do with it.
Same old name calling and labelling. Tell me, where have I been arrogant?
I asked a question and then you make assumptions. If Biden stepped down then Harris would be president.
The question I asked has been asked by many. Here is a column on the left leaning network CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/...ive-impairment-test-reiner/index.html
That is not evidence but simply someone else asking questions.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 36 of 89 (920421)
10-07-2024 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by PaulK
10-06-2024 3:43 AM


PaulK writes:
All through this thread. The first post angrily asked why the Democratic establishment were not acting on the beliefs you assigned them without considering the very reasonable possibility that they did not hold those beliefs. A possibility you continued to reject even when reasonable alternatives were offered - and which you completely ignored, and now you are calling justified criticism “name calling”
I don't know whether Biden is cognitively impaired or not which is the same for all of us. I gather that he won't get a current test for it. However, when has a healthy sitting president ever withdrawn from a campaign prior to election date previously and particularly when there is insufficient time to go through the normal process of selecting a new candidate?
To deny that Biden's mental acuity wasn't an issue lacks any credibility. Here is a democratic leaning NBC report prior to Biden's withdrawal.
https://www.nbcnews.com/...ental-fitness-triggers-rcna137975
So I do agree that the party thought they would do better with Harris but articles like this indicate that the reason that Harris would do better is that Biden's mental state was under question even in the Democratic party.
PaulK writes:
Second, I’d like to know which of my replies in this thread made assumptions that you find questionable - or are contradicted by the fact that Harris would be the successor. I think you will find that there are none.
I'm not sure what you are getting at here. I'm simply pointing out that if Biden steps down Harris is the President. I don't know, but I would guess that if anything it would improve her chances of winning the election and you wouldn't have a president who is mentally impaired. (Yes, that is on the assumption that he is but I 'm confident that the majority of Americans feel that way. It was a big question mark when Biden was still the candidate but nobody much seems to worry about it much now with all that is going on in the country and in the world right now/
PaulK writes:
What I want to know is why the Democratic party came to the conclusion that President Biden was cognitively impaired and should step down as the candidate but, leave him still in office.
Prior to him stepping down that were many in the Democratic party that questioned his mental fitness as evidenced in thew link above and that link isn't an outlier. So, the question still stands.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 37 of 89 (920422)
10-07-2024 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Percy
10-05-2024 6:18 PM


Percy writes:
When did the Democratic party conclude Biden was cognitively impaired? You never say, and you cannot say, because it's not true.
Obviously the Democratic party, like any political party is not one voice. We can see where a number of democrats questioned it prior to him stepping down but not anymore. We can all form our own opinion about whether that was a majority belief or not.
Percy writes:
And as PaulK said, you chose the most intemperate message to respond to and then characterized it as typical of all the responses when that is definitely not true. And you didn't respond to 11 of the 17 responses to you, most of them very reasonable and temperate, but you ignored them anyway. If you want a temperate discussion then you might try responding to those.
I have been here long enough to know how common that is. Many times I, or others, have posted either a belief or an opinion and have been labelled a liar as opposed to just calling us wrong. Go back and look at the posts. Even the post trying to defend an earlier post called me arrogant but failed to give an example.
I, tried to post the question in such a way as to try and be as non-partisan as I could without suggesting whether Trump or Harris is the better choice in the election.
Percy writes:
And the opinion piece you cited doesn't support your position. It argues that Biden should submit to cognitive testing, not that the Democratic party concluded that Biden is cognitively impaired, or that Biden should be removed from office. If argues that Biden's debate performance raises questions, not that it provides answers.
If there are questions raised about the mental decline of a sitting US President don't you think that it should be verified one way or the other?

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 47 of 89 (920432)
10-08-2024 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by PaulK
10-08-2024 12:29 AM


PaulK writes:
Once again you ignore the obvious fact that Biden’s campaign was going very poorly and in ways that seemed hard to fix - such as the attacks from the media. That in itself is sufficient explanation.
Maybe his campaign was going poorly because his gognitive impairment was becoming obvious.
PaulK writes:
I think that this obvious evasion is exactly what it looks like - another attempt to cover up the fact that you made a false claim.
I'm still not clear what you are referring to. I only made the point that if Biden is cognitive impaired and left office then Harris becomes president. Again, assuming Biden is cognitively impaired wouldn't it be preferable to have Harris as president who is not cognately impaired.
PaulK writes:
If find it very hard that you are unsure what I am getting it. You claimed that I “made assumptions” and implied that those assumptions were somehow contradicted by the fact that if Biden went Harris would be President. I quoted that in my post so you have no excuse for not knowing. Here it is again:
I have no problem admitting if I'm wrong and if I am then I'm sorry. I hope that my statement above explains the problem.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 48 of 89 (920433)
10-08-2024 2:28 PM
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10-08-2024 10:59 AM


Taq writes:
At the same time, it is completely false to claim that Democrats took Biden off the ticket because he is cognitively impaired. That's not the reason.
The point again is that I would argue that he was doing badly in the polls because many people saw him as being cognitively impaired. Neither one of us know and we are both expressing our opinion.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 49 of 89 (920434)
10-08-2024 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Percy
10-08-2024 11:46 AM


Percy writes:
​That's not how you began this thread. Here is sentence 1 of Message 1, your post that began this thread where you said the "Democratic party" (not some members of the Democratic party, as you later tried to claim you said, but the actual Democratic party) had concluded that Biden was cognitively impaired and should step down, yet they let him stay in office despite this:
Good point. The Democratic membership had no say in it but it was a decision taken by those who hold power in the Democratic party.
Percy writes:
I haven't memorized the thread, so when did it morph from an assertion of cognitive impairment to one of a decline in mental acuity, and how are you defining mental acuity anyway. If you mean it in terms of the ability to think clearly and accurately then I think Biden is fine. If you mean it in terms of mental alacrity and rapid and accurate recall of facts then I think Biden's mental acuity has declined while president. Does Biden seem able to successfully carry out the duties of his office for another three or four months, especially now that he's unburdened with having to campaign? I think that's the question you should have begun with.
I agree. I conflated the two terms and I shouldn't have. My own unevidenced belief is that Biden isn't really calling the shots now anyway. I'm guessing that it is people like Obama and Pelosi.
Percy writes:
Is "mental fitness" a synonym for "cognitive impairment" now?
As I said, I was wrong to do that.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 51 of 89 (920436)
10-08-2024 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Percy
10-08-2024 12:28 PM


Percy writes:
I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience here, but I'd be surprised if you didn't have the same experience everywhere after your performance in the Choosing a faith thread.
I have no idea what you are specifically referring to in that thread. Religious belief is based on the conclusions we come to based on what we experience and what we understand about our existence and what it means to us. My point with that thread is that what is important is not the name that we apply to a deity, or the faith that we adhere to but the nature of that deity, (even if one is secular following personal beliefs), and how we are to apply it to our lives. The thread, as usual got drawn off track.
Percy writes:

In politics questions are raised about everything all the time, often with political motivations, so generalize your question: If there are questions raised about something or someone in government, don't you think it should be verified one way or the other.

For example, questions have been raised about whether Trump is a racist, misogynist autocrat with delusions of dictatorship and a list of grievances who would end democracy as we know it. Don't you think it should be verified one way or the other?

And isn't that a far more important question than whether Biden should serve out the last three or four months of his term?
However the American public is able to measure for themselves how they feel about Trump's failings but Biden was elected as a president when ho one was questioning his mental state. Now he is still president and people are questioning his mental state and he is refusing to be tested.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 52 of 89 (920437)
10-08-2024 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Percy
10-08-2024 12:45 PM


Re: About Cognitive Impairment
Percy writes:
I think many of us are of an age to have experienced what cognitive impairment actually looks like in our parents' generation. I used to have lunch occasionally with the residents of the elderly housing where my mother lived. Some were as sharp as tacks, others couldn't remember their families or what they did for work, others couldn't speak sense about anything, and others seemed to be living in some other world than the one around them.

So I think I know what cognitive impairment looks like, and to me Biden is not cognitively impaired. However, he has definitely lost a step mentally. He pulls out the wrong name or fact more often than he used to. Same for losing his train of thought. His energy level is down. Four years ago he looked old but vigorous. Now he just looks old.

But if you watch his press conferences, an interactive activity as opposed to one where he only has to read from a teleprompter, he seems fine. He's more halting, his answers are brief, but he seems fine. Just old. I posted a video of a recent press conference a few messages ago.
I'm just a year younger that Biden and I have volunteered with a music program for seniors for 45 years. I too have witnessed cognitive decline in thousands of people over the years first in Montreal, Toronto and now out here on Vancouver Island. (Being a year younger than Biden I am still considered to be part of the youth movement in this area. )
Bottom line is though why is Biden not agreeing to an assessment in order to put concerns to rest.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 81 of 89 (920514)
10-15-2024 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Percy
10-09-2024 4:33 PM


Percy writes:
I agree that the "Democratic membership had no say," but not that it was "a decision taken by those who hold power in the Democratic party." All the news reports say the same thing, that it was a personal decision made by Biden in consideration of all the advice and feedback he had been given, some public, some private, and in consultation with his family.
I'd venture to say that not all the news reports say the same thing. Sure that's the position of the democratic party. Don't you think it's a bit odd that he didn't come out and make a formal announcement but through a post on twitter just hours after announcing that he was definitely staying in the race.?
Pres. Biden withdrawal
Here is a quote from that wiki page.
quote:
These concerns increased after the first 2024 presidential debate, between Biden and Republican Party candidate Donald Trump on June 27, 2024. Biden's performance was widely criticized, with commentators noting he frequently lost his train of thought and gave meandering answers, had a faltering appearance, spoke with a hoarse voice, and failed to recall statistics or coherently express his opinion on several occasions.[2] Biden subsequently faced calls to withdraw from the race from fellow Democrats[3] and from the editorial boards of major news outlets.[4][5] By July 19, 2024, more than 30 senior Democrats had called for him to withdraw
Percy writes:
​Why do you think that? Even a Biden in full dementia would seem unlikely to let others siphon off control. Have you ever dealt with a willful dementia patient who's been accustomed to being in control their entire life? I just can't see a modestly compromised Biden ceding control to others. Delegating more, yes, but giving up any control, no.
Well, we have od idea what pressure they put on him.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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