Why is Biden still the President

Are you sure you’re not Marc? You’re sounding a lot like him.There doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with Biden’s leadership. He wasn’t campaigning well, but that seems to be about it. If he’s suffering from dementia - and I’d need rather more than your say-so for that - it’s early stages. I don’t see anyone else doing much better.

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I'm not commenting on how well he is handling any of these issues,

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If he’s handling them acceptably well then he is fit to be President. That should be obvious. It’s not like Trump and Covid.

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You may argue this, but Pelosi and company one way or another got him to pull his candidacy. If he wasn't fit to be a candidate, what makes him fit to be president now, particularly with all that is going on?

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First, if Biden was a candidate he’d still be President as well. Even if he couldn’t handle the combined workload that doesn’t mean that he can’t handle the workload of the Presidency without the campaigning as well.Second we don’t know that he actually was that unfit. He performed poorly in the debate and the media were pushing the line that he was unfit - those could be enough even if he was up to the job.

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You're missing the pointI

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No. Disagreeing with an obviously dubious point is not the same as “not getting it”.

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Obviously the Democratic hierarchy believed that Harris was a better option to govern for the next 4 years.

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No. It’s not at all obvious that they were thinking anything beyond who has the best chance of winning the election - and Harris seems to be a more popular candidate. Even if they felt that Biden couldn’t manage another four years that doesn’t mean he’s unfit to see out his term - especially without the extra stress and work of campaigning.

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Based on that wouldn't she be a better person to be doing the job now?

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No, it doesn’t follow. Aside from the fact that she does have the workload and stress of the campaign - and the fact that you can’t find anything wrong with Biden’s performance - it might well be better to ease her into the role rather than just pushing her straight into it.

It’s hardly unusual for GDR to indulge in questionable - or even downright silly (or dishonest) rationalisations. But it does make me wonder about the real reason he wants Biden to go.

If you want debate maybe you should try doing your part.
You say that the Democratic establishment believe that Biden isn’t fit to govern but you have yet to adequately support it - or deal with the fact that Biden does seem to be governing well enough.I should point out that you aren’t treated the way you are because of differing opinions. Your arrogance and lack of concern for the truth have a lot more to do with it.And of course you’re rationalising as usual. To pick on the least temperate response and label it typical - while failing to address reasonable counterpoints - hardly suggests that you are being honest about your reason for departing.

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Same old name calling and labelling. Tell me, where have I been arrogant?

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All through this thread. The first post angrily asked why the Democratic establishment were not acting on the beliefs you assigned them without considering the very reasonable possibility that they did not hold those beliefs. A possibility you continued to reject even when reasonable alternatives were offered - and which you completely ignored, and now you are calling justified criticism “name calling”

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I asked a question and then you make assumptions. If Biden stepped down then Harris would be president.

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First, you made an angry attack on the Democratic establishment, based on a premise that is at best questionable. An attack you repeated in your second post to the thread.Second, I’d like to know which of my replies in this thread made assumptions that you find questionable - or are contradicted by the fact that Harris would be the successor. I think you will find that there are none.

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The question I asked has been asked by many. Here is a column on the left leaning network CNN.

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Even the “left-leaning” media seems to display some bias in favour of Trump these days. But as Percy points out it does not at all ask the same question. This is the question you asked: Message 1
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Can you find anywhere asking THAT question?

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I don't know whether Biden is cognitively impaired or not which is the same for all of us. I gather that he won't get a current test for it. However, when has a healthy sitting president ever withdrawn from a campaign prior to election date previously and particularly when there is insufficient time to go through the normal process of selecting a new candidate?

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Once again you ignore the obvious fact that Biden’s campaign was going very poorly and in ways that seemed hard to fix - such as the attacks from the media. That in itself is sufficient explanation.

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To deny that Biden's mental acuity wasn't an issue lacks any credibility. Here is a democratic leaning NBC report prior to Biden's withdrawal.
https://www.nbcnews.com/...ental-fitness-triggers-rcna137975
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So I do agree that the party thought they would do better with Harris but articles like this indicate that the reason that Harris would do better is that Biden's mental state was under question even in the Democratic party.

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It really doesn’t. It does more to show that Biden’s campaign was in serious trouble.

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I'm not sure what you are getting at here. I'm simply pointing out that if Biden steps down Harris is the President. I

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If find it very hard that you are unsure what I am getting it. You claimed that I “made assumptions” and implied that those assumptions were somehow contradicted by the fact that if Biden went Harris would be President. I quoted that in my post so you have no excuse for not knowing. Here it is again: I think that this obvious evasion is exactly what it looks like - another attempt to cover up the fact that you made a false claim.

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Prior to him stepping down that were many in the Democratic party that questioned his mental fitness as evidenced in thew link above and that link isn't an outlier. So, the question still stands.

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Aside from attributing your words to me I note that this is another evasion. I asked you to show that other people were asking the same question you asked - the one quoted. Apparently you can’t find any. Maybe you should have the honesty to admit that. Maybe you should act like someone who believes his .sig instead of spitting on it.

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Obviously the Democratic party, like any political party is not one voice. We can see where a number of democrats questioned it prior to him stepping down but not anymore. We can all form our own opinion about whether that was a majority belief or not.

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Nevertheless you have claimed that the Democratic Percy establishment views Biden as unfit to be President - as a matter of fact - not mere opinion.

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I have been here long enough to know how common that is. Many times I, or others, have posted either a belief or an opinion and have been labelled a liar as opposed to just calling us wrong.

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Has it happened often in this thread? Real examples please.

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Go back and look at the posts. Even the post trying to defend an earlier post called me arrogant but failed to give an example.

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Well that’s not true, is it? Message 31

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I, tried to post the question in such a way as to try and be as non-partisan as I could without suggesting whether Trump or Harris is the better choice in the election.

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The best I can say is that - if you really tried to be non-partisan - you were defeated in that objective by your own arrogance. Your post came across as a nasty smear on the Democratic Party. Because it is.

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Maybe his campaign was going poorly because his gognitive impairment was becoming obvious.

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Speculation - especially speculation on matters you considered irrelevant to your original point - hardly establishes your opinion as fact, nor justifies presenting it as fact.

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I'm still not clear what you are referring to. I only made the point that if Biden is cognitive impaired and left office then Harris becomes president. Again, assuming Biden is cognitively impaired wouldn't it be preferable to have Harris as president who is not cognately impaired.

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No that is not true. You claimed that I “made assumptions” and implied that the fact that Harris would normally succeed Biden some contradicted that. So what are these assumptions I supposedly made ? And where did you find them in my posts ?

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I have no problem admitting if I'm wrong and if I am then I'm sorry. I hope that my statement above explains the problem.

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The problem is obviously that rather than admit that something you said was untrue you’ll try to pretend that you didn’t say it - and you expect me to believe that.Here’s a simple question did you write Or not? If you admit that you did - despite the denial above then will you finally explain what these assumptions were and where you found them in my posts? Or will you go on insisting that you can’t understand that?I’ll also note that it’s hardly the only example of you having a problem admitting that you are wrong in this thread. Nor is it unusual behaviour for you.

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I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience here, but I'd be surprised if you didn't have the same experience everywhere after your performance in the Choosing a faith thread.

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I have no idea what you are specifically referring to in that thread

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Review the thread - there’s no shortage of examples there. And obviously you’ll have no problem admitting to them, will you?

I hope he realised just what he’s been doing - at least in part. At least we were spared the usual pretence that debate here is just personal attacks. But we didn’t get any sort of apology either.

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I'll apologise for being slow in responding but I have been tied up recently.

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That’s not what you should be apologising for.

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Here is an NBC report.
Biden's withdrawal

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Note that it agrees with what I was saying: