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Message 27 of 523 (887220)
07-26-2021 3:22 AM
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Reply to: Message 26 by ringo
07-25-2021 3:27 PM
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Re: Getting Plugged Back In
Ringo writes: It says nothing. Tell us what it says. I resisted watching it, I mean why would an atheist watch a video about 'love' and the 'holy bible' promoted by a fundie loonie? But it was short, I was bored and I need to hear what these poor deluded people are being indoctrinated with from time to time. It's just about Jesus being love and instead of all the deluded meeting together they need to go out into the world and recruit more deluded people into their mad cult. Same old stuff.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 32 of 523 (887229)
07-26-2021 12:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 28 by Phat
07-26-2021 3:50 AM
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Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
This IQ thing seems to be a bit of a chip-on-the-shoulder thing for a lot of fundie posters here. Mike the Waz is very fond of pronouncing his cleverness. I presume he does that because it's hard to guess from his posts. Believers are probably as intelligent on average as the general population, though atheists tend to be above average. You're not particularly smart Phat so don't get carried away with yourself. But it's not IQ that's your problem; it's your thinking skills - they're generally absent. One of the most evidence-driven people I ever met was Professor Sir Anthony Bottoms (yes, really!)' professor of criminology at Cambridge University. Speaking to him was an intellectual minefield, he had a mind like a trap and you had to weigh up every word you said to him and justify your assertions with supporting evidence. A very, very clever man. But he was also a believer and he threw every rational thought away when it came to his beliefs. I could tie him up in knots without breaking into a sweat. Very odd. He compartmentalised his belief from his rational mind..
I'll bet the farm that I'm right about the gold and silver and an eventual dollar collapse within ten years. As for Jesus? He loves you even if you don't believe in Him and He is still working on me. [/end lecture] If you had a farm I'd take the bet. You guys are ALWAYS wrong with your doom, doom, doom.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 44 of 523 (887242)
07-26-2021 2:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 41 by Phat
07-26-2021 1:53 PM
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Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
Phat writes: Why is it that the Jesus in the book was usually the one tieing everyone else up in knots and getting them to think whereas nearly all of His followers themselves get tied up in knots when confronting a rationally minded man? Because the authors of the myth made it that way. You can't portray an idiot Jesus and hope to get people to believe in him can you? He has to be a superhero.
I would think that you would argue back and say that the second commandment is the important one and the first one is mythos. It would be interesting which of you would tie the other up in a knot at that point. I could tie him up in knots because he hadn't made any attempt at all to research the historicity and accuracy of the bible, something he wouldn't dream of not doing in his own subject area. He just swallowed the thing whole. As for your question, of course the first part is total nonsense and the second part is simply plagiarism (of the golden rule).
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Member Posts: 9607 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 49 of 523 (887274)
07-29-2021 3:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 48 by Phat
07-29-2021 2:23 AM
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Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
Phat writes: Are you seriously suggesting that the authors made up the characters from scratch? No. There were plenty of real protagonists, ancient stories and rumours around to create a mythology without having to invent one. Making up an entire mythology from scratch was not necessary and isn't what happened. The Jesus myth evolved from Old Testament stories. The stories then evolved through to New Testament into the Qur'an. (And arguably also into the Book of Mormon.) All man made.
At worst, they used poetic license to exaggerate the real character whom they were describing but to be honest, Yup. Though more than poetic.
I don't even believe that! We all know what you believe Phat.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 58 of 523 (887313)
07-30-2021 5:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 50 by Phat
07-29-2021 10:23 AM
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Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
Phat writes: And we all know what you believe.
You've proved over and over that you really don't.
Your explanation is utter bullshit. Sorry, but I see no more substance in your explanation than you do in my beliefs. Im calling you out. What so-called expert or group of experts rationally concluded what you present? Why should their conclusion be taken seriously? I want names and evidence. Well there's a a group of people called Jews. They have a book called the Torah (That's the Old Testament to you Christians) which predicts the Messiah. The Jews are still waiting for him, they reckon that your Jesus is just one of the many failed prophets. So a thousand years after the Jewish oral traditions and about 500 years after something got written we have a bunch of Jews trying to make Jesus into the Messiah of the book. Unfortunately, he failed - as was recorded in your book. Having failed, people still needed a Messiah and hence Mohammed was invented. They recognise Jesus as a a prophet but not a god. Mormonism, same god different day. Jesus is the head of their religion but believe that the Christians got the story thereafter wrong. So Smith wrote his own, very different version. guided by god (of course). That's the synopsis. They're all man made and they're all of their time. You just believe one version of one of the many myths in the same tradition. As for references, just read the Wikis and follow the sources from there.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Member Posts: 9607 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 100 of 523 (888703)
09-29-2021 8:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 99 by Phat
09-29-2021 7:21 AM
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Re: Production Backs The Dollar
Phat writes: Believe it or not, I'm no dummy. Ask those who know me well.
You need to stop making these kind of comments, no-one else seems to feel the need to. It's likely to have the reverse effect than what you were hoping for. For what it's worth, I doubt anyone thinks you stupid, but you are very, very poor at thinking rationally. It is a skill and it quite often has to be learned; it's not particularly intuitive. In fact it's the opposite. Your dependence on beliefs and "gut feelings" to argue here just gives it away. Mike the Wizz is a perfect example of someone who is probably very intelligent but totally misapplies it; really twists his intelligence out of shape. Faith was also pretty smart but simply could not be impartial. To be useful, intelligence has to be applied rationally otherwise it becomes quite dangerous.
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(Though I *do* get insecure around here at times. )
That should be telling you that maybe you're missing something about thinking.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 113 of 523 (888766)
10-03-2021 4:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 109 by Phat
10-03-2021 10:36 AM
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Re: Production Backs The Dollar
Phat:
None of you are finance majors as far as I know.
I have a Master's degree in Business and spent a half a lifetime in commercial finance. Does that count? If so, trust me, unless Jesus actually does talk to you about gold bars, you haven't a clue.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 250 of 523 (916295)
02-29-2024 1:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 249 by Phat
02-29-2024 1:33 PM
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Re: Sharing Transcript snippets
You've already admitted that you carry on listening to the random brain farts of unqualified YouTubers if they are saying something that you already agree with and like the way they're saying it.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Member Posts: 9607 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 402 of 523 (919793)
08-03-2024 12:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 401 by Phat
08-03-2024 12:38 PM
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Re: Keeping It Personal
You're not smart Phat, but you're not dumb either; you've just never learned how to think. Your thinking is polluted. Like Faith, you're irrational and don't know how to apply the smarts that you have. You just don't know how to look at a problem objectively so you swallow anything that appeals to your existing beliefs and reject anything that jars with them. You're uncritical, you can't apply what intelligence you have so to us you appear ignorant and stupid. It's a shame, it doesn't have to be that way.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Member Posts: 9607 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 440 of 523 (920297)
09-23-2024 2:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 439 by Phat
09-23-2024 2:32 PM
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Re: Political Ideologies Expressed
Phat writes: My gripe is that the liberal/moderate form of government lets so many people get away with so much that there should be laws and in some cases punishments against them [...] the allowance of shoplifting and petty theft that I see on a *daily basis* I believe the USA has laws about theft? I imagine they precede "liberals"?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Member Posts: 9607 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 463 of 523 (920320)
09-27-2024 10:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 461 by Phat
09-27-2024 9:37 AM
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Re: Keeping It Personal
Phat writes: Having a professor like that would either inspire me or frustrate me. It makes you very careful. You have to think about whether what you're saying can be backed up if challenged. That makes him sound cold and hard but he was/is an incredibly kind man.
You don't know how often I make what I think to be a decent post only to have it exacerbated by the Peanut Gallery. That's because you have almost zero critical thinking skills and refuse to learn any. You don't know how to work out whether what you're reading/watching is information/misinformation/propaganda or simple self-serving fraud. You come at everything through a pre-existing lens of beliefs that you've picked up off conservative YouTube and apply them uncritically because you want to believe them.
Did it ever occur to you that if in fact, a given belief had any intrinsic validity your rational response would be irrelevant? You see, you are incapable of thinking rationally. If a 'given belief had any intrinsic validity' it would be capable of being demonstrated as such. And he would be the first person to insist on that - in any other context. The fact was, he'd never applied his rational mind to his Christian beliefs so when asked simple factual questions about evidencing what is taken as fact in the bible such as who wrote them and when, whether Jesus actually made the sermon on the mount, whether Moses existed etc etc he had no answers. Of course he could have been as expert on the bible as he is on criminology and still been a believing Christian - some are - but he'd just never bothered to apply his mind to his beliefs. A very strange contradiction.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 480 of 523 (920339)
09-30-2024 11:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 473 by Phat
09-29-2024 9:28 AM
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Re: Keeping It Personal
Phat writes: Again, duly noted. It's not so much that I disagree with you as it is that you have no respect for my intuition since it isn't clearly backed by evidence. You've heard it from all of us now, but you've heard it before many times and done nothing about it. I might consider your intuition on what today's takings at your shop might be because maybe you do actually have relevant experience to form a good estimate. I'd still prefer to see it from your accounts, but ok, until I see it in the books, I'll take your guess. But no-one is going to take your intuition on much else because you've got a track record of pontification on things you've no personal experience of or things that you've picked up from right-wing scam/nut-job sites uncritically.
I will try harder to find some. That's exactly the wrong thing to do. You'll find stacks of stuff to support whatever wacky idea you have in your head at the moment. Everything can be evidenced these days. If you go looking for evidence for what you already believe, you'll find it, no problem. How many times have you heard the phrase 'confirmation bias?' The question you need to ask yourself is 'how do I know that this is true?' How would you work out whether the bit of evidence you've searched out is valid? Or what weight to put on it?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 504 of 523 (920411)
10-06-2024 2:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 502 by Phat
10-06-2024 2:40 PM
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Re: Right wing grift continues
So Phat, explain this: Chat GPT The total value of all the gold on Earth depends on the current gold price and the estimated amount of gold that has been mined. Amount of Gold: According to the World Gold Council, approximately 201,300 metric tons of gold have been mined throughout human history as of 2021. This number is continually updated as more gold is mined annually. Current Price of Gold: As of October 2024, the price of gold is around $1,800 per troy ounce (though this can fluctuate depending on the market). One metric ton equals 32,150.7 troy ounces. Calculation: Total gold in troy ounces = 201,300 metric tons × 32,150.7 troy ounces per metric ton = 6.47 billion troy ounces. Value = 6.47 billion troy ounces × $1,800 per troy ounce = approximately $11.65 trillion. And: The total amount of currency in circulation worldwide can be broken down into physical currency (cash: banknotes and coins) and broader money (which includes deposits and other liquid assets). Here's an overview: 1. Physical Currency As of 2024, estimates suggest that around $8 to $9 trillion of physical currency (cash in the form of banknotes and coins) is in circulation globally. This includes all major currencies like the U.S. dollar (USD), euro (EUR), Japanese yen (JPY), and others. 2. Broader Money (M2) Broader money includes physical currency along with checking accounts, savings accounts, and other liquid assets that are easily convertible to cash. When we consider broader money, often classified as M2 (money supply), the total amount is significantly larger. The global money supply (M2) is estimated to be around $150 to $170 trillion. This includes not just physical currency but also money held in banks, savings, and short-term deposits. The figures vary depending on the source and measurement methodology, but these estimates provide a general sense of the total amount of currency in circulation worldwide. Keep in mind that these numbers fluctuate with economic conditions, central bank policies, and inflation. So Phat, the actual money in circulation could buy all the gold in the world about 15 time over. What do you think would happen to the global economy if money supply shrunk by a factor of 15 to match the value of all the available gold in the world? (Using the economic concept of all other things being equal)
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 509 of 523 (920418)
10-07-2024 1:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 506 by Phat
10-07-2024 7:54 AM
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Re: Right wing grift continues
Phat writes: As of this morning, Gold is at 2,675.30. That's $1000.00 more than you say. And the forecast is for that to continue going up. You missed the entire point of the post and failed to answer the question. Plug in any values you think are most up to date, then answer how the total value of all the gold in the world can hold up the total value of all the money in circulation in the world when it's several orders of magnitude less. [I see Percy has updated the sums for you.]
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 522 of 523 (920477)
10-10-2024 5:11 PM
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The entirety of the gold that the world has ever refined is a fraction of the world's current money supply. But that's not actually all the problem. Only 17% of that fraction is held by banks. The rest is held privately - about 47% is jewellery, 22% is gold in coins and bars held as investments and 10% in electronics. Kind of difficult to underpin a State's economy with gold rings on private fingers.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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