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Message 17 of 89 (920383)
10-03-2024 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by GDR
10-03-2024 1:49 PM


GDR writes:
What I want to know is why the Democratic party came to the conclusion that President Biden was cognitively impaired and should step down as the candidate but, leave him still in office.
They came to the conclusion that Biden couldn't win the election, not that we was cognitively impaired.

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Message 41 of 89 (920426)
10-08-2024 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by GDR
10-07-2024 7:27 PM


GDR writes:
Obviously the Democratic party, like any political party is not one voice. We can see where a number of democrats questioned it prior to him stepping down but not anymore. We can all form our own opinion about whether that was a majority belief or not.
There was never a big push to unseat Biden due to impaired cognition (i.e. the 25th Amendment). Biden was "encouraged" to leave the ticket because his polling sucked and it didn't look like he was going to beat Trump.
I will agree that Biden has gone downhill since he took office, but he seems competent enough to me, and he seems to have convinced those in his cabinet and others close to the President.
At the same time, it is completely false to claim that Democrats took Biden off the ticket because he is cognitively impaired. That's not the reason.

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Message 53 of 89 (920438)
10-08-2024 3:24 PM
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10-08-2024 2:28 PM


GDR writes:
The point again is that I would argue that he was doing badly in the polls because many people saw him as being cognitively impaired.
Let's grant you that point.
Does this mean he is actually impaired? No.
Does this mean other Democrats deemed him to be impaired? No.
Therefore, it is wrong to claim that Democrats should have used the 25th Amendment to remove Biden from office because they had already deemed him to be unfit when they forced him off the ticket.
Politics is sales. One of the first things taught to me in my short sales career was "Perception is Reality". It doesn't matter how good your product is, if the product is perceived as being crap then the reality in sales is that it is crap, and you need to fix it. Biden was poorly perceived by the public, and he was getting his ass kicked, so they chose a new candidate. One wonders if the Democrats had changed the ticket sooner if the Republicans would have done the same. Trump was about the only viable person Biden could beat, and vice versa. If Nikki Haley were running on the Republican ticket I wouldn't be surprised if she wins.

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Message 69 of 89 (920459)
10-09-2024 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by xongsmith
10-08-2024 10:24 PM


Re: About Cognitive Impairment
xongsmith writes:
i have an old chart, if I could post a picture.
I suspect that accepting facts as real would put a media outlet in the "hyper-partisan left" category.

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Message 74 of 89 (920465)
10-09-2024 1:11 PM
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10-09-2024 12:43 PM


Tanypteryx writes:
I notice that the people calling for Biden to resign, are all the usual suspects who figure that's a slick way to limit Harris to a single term as President.
Stepping in to fill Biden's shoes would not count towards the 2 term limit. LBJ could have run for a 2nd full term after serving 1 partial (JFK) and 1 full term, but chose not to. LBJ had the foresight that Biden lacked.

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Message 87 of 89 (920526)
10-16-2024 6:24 PM
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10-15-2024 8:49 PM


GDR writes:
Sure that's the position of the democratic party.
In the opening post you wrote:
"What I want to know is why the Democratic party came to the conclusion that President Biden was cognitively impaired and should step down as the candidate but, leave him still in office."
What is the actual position of the Democratic party? Their conclusion was that Biden was politically damaged and couldn't win. They did NOT conclude that Biden was cognitively impaired. So your premise from the opening post doesn't stand.
Was Biden forced out of the race in some manner? Yes, absolutely. Without pressure he wouldn't have left the race. So what?

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