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Author Topic:   The Second Trump Presidency
K.Rose
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Message 181 of 506 (921165)
01-02-2025 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Percy
01-01-2025 9:18 PM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
Percy writes in Message 172:
And it isn't hearsay that 26 women have publicly accused Donald Trump of "rape, kissing and groping without consent."
First time I’ve seen this list.
Dronestar quoted someone who said something about yet someone else who said something about Trump, and presented this as some kind of evidence. This is hearsay.

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K.Rose
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Message 182 of 506 (921166)
01-02-2025 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Percy
01-01-2025 9:18 PM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
Percy writes in Message 162:
Trump is at best areligious. Biden's Catholic. Where do you see animus from either one toward your religion?
A man can say whatever he wants, but you’ll know a man by what he does.
Percy writes in Message 172:
…it leaves people wondering how a Christian wouldn't make a different choice regarding their vote…
K.Rose writes in Message 159:
I don't look to political leaders for moral-spiritual guidance. In a one or the other election I simply select the person who holds the least animus toward my faith, and who will be the most just in upholding the worldly law.
Once again, the vote is between two sides and you have to pick one, in this case Trump or Biden-Harris. Sitting out because “I don’t want to choose between the lesser of two evils” is a ludicrous position. It will always be between the lesser of two evils, unless you happen to get someone who is in 100% alignment with your views.
So……Trump wins handily in the “least animus toward my faith” category.
Considering the advantage in the “worldly/earthly/man’s law” category:
• Handling the illegal immigrant problem internally – Trump
• Fixing both the North and South border disasters – Trump
• Tangling with China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela – Trump
• Economy – Trump
• Straightening out the Regulatory and Bureaucratic agencies – Trump
• Weeding out corruption within the Power Structure - Trump
• Addressing the health care mess that is coming front and center – Trump
• Regaining our respect as the world leader, competent and strong – Trump
• Addressing domestic crime – Trump
Can’t think of an area where Harris-Biden has the advantage – can you?

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DrJones*
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Message 183 of 506 (921168)
01-02-2025 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by K.Rose
01-02-2025 2:46 PM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
Addressing domestic crime – Trump
well with 34 felony convictions he's certainly taken a lead in crime

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Percy
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Message 184 of 506 (921170)
01-02-2025 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by K.Rose
01-02-2025 2:40 PM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
This should be pretty easy to resolve. You quoted the portion of my message where I said, "There is no one way of defining anything." Your response made it seem as if you had missed the word "one" and had read it as, "There is no way of defining anything."
--Percy

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dronestar
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Message 185 of 506 (921177)
01-02-2025 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Percy
01-02-2025 12:18 PM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
Percy writes:
Legally, a jury found that Trump did not commit rape.
No, why are you making things up? The jury never said the former prez did not commit rape. They said the evidence was insufficient to PROVE that the former prez committed rape. But look at the HUGE amount of sex abuse, and serial adultery behavior committed by the former president ALL HIS LIFE. What is more likely: he did rape, or he didn’t? C’mon Percy, let’s not be a useful idiot.
Percy writes:
It's likely much more complex than that, as a reading of https://www.cnn.com/ . . . makes clear.
No, you are making things up again.
The article may conclude this, but as even you wrote, it is more complex than that. There are many others theories, and since they are sealed we are left to guess, . . . there can be no final assessment. The article does not “make clear”.
My theory, . . . The lawsuit was settled AFTER the former prez won the election, not before. The timing didn’t change the lawsuit facts, but the timing did change the potential ruinous attacks from the future white house. Another theory . . . ABC probably would have won the libel case, it is very difficult to prove, and ABC caved.
___
Judge Kaplan wrote, as commonly used, the term rape is correct. Stephanopoulos used the term rape, as commonly used. I and others use the term rape as commonly used . . .
Because Hitler was never sentenced to war crimes, do we now say . . . well without the official conviction from the law, we MUST conclude Hitler is innocent of all war crimes. Heck, let's dream up that he was just in lower management at the phone company.
That would be preposterous. Let us not be useful-idiots to support fascism.

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dronestar
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Message 186 of 506 (921178)
01-02-2025 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by K.Rose
01-02-2025 2:42 PM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
pro-rapist writes:
Dronestar quoted someone who said something about yet someone else who said something about Trump
Shameless word-salad.
Pro.
Rapist.

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K.Rose
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Message 187 of 506 (921190)
01-03-2025 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by DrJones*
01-02-2025 3:31 PM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
DrJones* writes in Message 183:
…with 34 felony convictions …
Ah, yes, the silver bullet “Convicted-Felon-on-34-Counts!!!” that didn’t pan out, mainly because the electorate saw right through the outrageous, coordinated lawfare and were unimpressed by any accusations or outcomes.
The case and the proceedings were riddled with irregularities and the whole thing will be overturned on appeal, if for no other reason than no prosecutor will want to try and stand behind it.

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Percy
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Message 188 of 506 (921198)
01-03-2025 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by dronestar
01-02-2025 9:59 PM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
dronestar writes in Message 185:
The jury never said the former prez did not commit rape.
They pretty much did. I posted this earlier:
Did Ms. Carroll prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that
  1. Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll?
    Yes     No ✓
  2. Mr. Trump sexually abused Ms. Carroll?
    Yes ✓   No
And this was a civil trial where the standard is only "a preponderance of the evidence", rather than the more stringent "beyond a reasonable doubt" of a criminal trial. You're free to believe what you like, but the facts clearly show that Trump was not found to have raped Carroll in the civil trial. You can assert that he was, but then you're getting out over your skis.
But I share your view of Trump. I believe that he has raped women. I just don't believe that's ever been legally proven in a civil or criminal trial.
ABC probably would have won the libel case, it is very difficult to prove, and ABC caved.
I share this view, as do many political commentators.
--Percy

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PaulK
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Message 189 of 506 (921199)
01-03-2025 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by K.Rose
01-02-2025 2:46 PM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
So, which of K Rose’s “reasons” for voting for Trump is most laughable?
I nominate this one:
Addressing the health care mess that is coming front and center
Trump twice promised a better replacement for the Affordable Care Act and twice broke that promise. Last word is that he still only has a “concept of a plan” - and that would require a huge amount of work to turn into something that could pass.
Worse Trump has nominated a slew of dubious people to senior positions regarding healthcare. RFK Jr is the most prominent - an anti-vaxxer who wants to sack FDA officials who block quack remedies.
Working to create a healthcare crisis seems to fit the bill more accurately.

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Percy
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Message 190 of 506 (921200)
01-03-2025 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by K.Rose
01-03-2025 8:58 AM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
K.Rose writes in Message 187:
Ah, yes, the silver bullet “Convicted-Felon-on-34-Counts!!!” that didn’t pan out, mainly because the electorate saw right through the outrageous, coordinated lawfare and were unimpressed by any accusations or outcomes.
While no one here actually used the term “Convicted-Felon-on-34-Counts”, the New York trial on 34 felony counts was a criminal trial. People found guilty of criminal felonies are considered felons. The result of a criminal conviction for felonies is often jail time. Sentencing was originally scheduled for November 26th, but after the election prosecutors requested that sentencing be postponed, and the judge agreed. One suggestion from District Attorney Bragg is to delay sentencing until the end of Trump's term in office.
But you again appear to be conflating trials and elections. Getting elected to any office, including president, doesn't void one's legal history. The felony convictions did "pan out", to use your phrase, meaning that Trump was found guilty of 34 felony counts. Getting elected president doesn't change that. It just means that more people than not preferred him over Harris despite the felony conviction and all the other baggage.
The case and the proceedings were riddled with irregularities and the whole thing will be overturned on appeal, if for no other reason than no prosecutor will want to try and stand behind it.
Can you be more specific?
Trump says he will appeal his conviction, but an appeal can only take place after sentencing.
--Percy

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K.Rose
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Message 191 of 506 (921219)
01-03-2025 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by PaulK
01-03-2025 10:22 AM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
PaulK writes in Message 189:
...promised a better replacement for the Affordable Care Act...
It's no longer just an Obamacare thing, it's all healthcare plans (ACA, company-paid, Medicare...). The pharmaceutical companies (Big Pharma!!!) are dirty, but the insurance companies are all owned by a handful of financial interests, mainly institutional investors looking to maximize profit. And you know where this leads. (Tragically highlighted by the recent maniac murderous assassin in NYC.)
We'll get a clearer picture of all this in the coming days. And it will be thanks to the transparency forced by the Trump Administration.

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K.Rose
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Message 192 of 506 (921220)
01-03-2025 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by PaulK
01-03-2025 10:22 AM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
PaulK writes in Message 189:
...which of K Rose’s “reasons” for voting for Trump is most laughable...
Fair enough.
What gives Harris the advantage?

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Taq
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Message 193 of 506 (921221)
01-03-2025 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by K.Rose
01-03-2025 5:51 PM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
K.Rose writes:
We'll get a clearer picture of all this in the coming days. And it will be thanks to the transparency forced by the Trump Administration.
Transparency forced by the Trump Administration??? What???
A constant flow of misinformation is not transparency. Hell, Trump can't even be transparent about who pays tariffs (it's the American importer, by the way).

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Taq
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Message 194 of 506 (921222)
01-03-2025 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by K.Rose
01-03-2025 5:53 PM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
K.Rose writes:
What gives Harris the advantage?
Harris actually understands how health insurance works.
I once heard someone ask Trump what a deductible was. He thought a health insurance deductible was the amount of money a health insurance company paid before the customer had to pay anything. IOW, he thought health insurance deductibles worked in the exact opposite way that they actually work.
Trump was born a multi-millionaire, and he is incurious as to what it means to not be a millionaire. He has no idea what it is like to even be middle class. Harris at least understood that part.

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K.Rose
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Message 195 of 506 (921223)
01-03-2025 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Percy
01-03-2025 10:47 AM


Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!
Percy writes in Message 190:
The felony convictions did "pan out", to use your phrase, meaning that Trump was found guilty of 34 felony counts.
The 4 coordinated prosecutions (Bragg, Smith, James, Willis) were designed to keep Trump off the ballot, and/or out of office. Of course they couldn't say this directly or they would be in jeopardy of Conspiracy Against Rights (ironically, the same thing the Jan-6 committee was accusing Trump of). They must have been very confident they would succeed because the things they said and did made their intentions very clear. The whole world knew what they were up to, but any objections were squelched because hey, it's Trump, and we have to do whatever's necessary.
The felony conviction was successful; however, the end game was to crow about "convicted felon" and turn people against Trump. It didn't take long to realize that the end game wasn't going to work, wasn't going to pan out, and by the time Harris was running it was only mentioned infrequently and unenthusiastically.

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