Iridium Nightmare and Living Fossils

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Originally posted by ksc:
The living fossils SHOULD have evolved. They didn't.

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Can you show us anywhere in the theory of evolution that says a particular species MUST evolve? Sure, you can dream up any number of reasons why an organism MIGHT evolve, but that does not mean that it WILL evolve. The whole point is that we have direct evidence that some did not evolve significantly through one or more extinction events. For some reason they were immune or remote from the effects, or adapted in some way. What is so hard about that for you to understand? Or were you just told by your professional creationists that this is a "BIG PROBLEM FOR EVOLUTION?" This fact is perfectly accommodated by the theory of evolution. Just what is your point?And just what the heck is a "normal mutation" path? Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

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Originally posted by Fedmahn Kassad:
I have been lurking here for at least six months, but had to jump in when I saw that my old buddy "ksc" (AKA Karl, Karl Crawford, and kc) was posting.

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Folks, I should warn you that you are all out of your depth here. You can not win an argument with kc. You don't believe me? He's quite famous actually. Go to Google and do a search of "Karl Crawford" and "Creationism". Many people have accounts of their frustrations in dealing with him. Personally, I engaged him at CARM, NAIG, and the old OCW (under a different persona). I found the experience to be very, very frustrating, and so I finally gave it up. I have also seen others engage him with no success.

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Thanks for the heads up. I think that several of us have seen karl coming for some time now, though I have to admit that he's kept a low profile for at least a few days. I'm sure we'll see the old KC any time now.

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Originally posted by ksc:
I really enjoyed reading the evo responce. For all you out there this is it in a nut shell

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"No one says animals have to evolve."

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So, refute the statement, Karl.

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Funny though, even the evo logic dictates that they do. In my post I presented an example of evolution they tell us occurred, (wolf to whale) in a time frame according to evo time frames much shorter than the coelacanth ghas supposedly been around. Image all the mutations that they say would have occcured in all of those millions upon millions of years and the coelacanth is still the same......What's wrong with their pcture? They want the cake and eat it too.

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Actually, the coelacanth did evolve somewhat and it is not clear that modern versions would actually be the same species as the Cretaceous coelacanth by some definitions. Nevertheless, there is no part of evolution that says an organism must evolve. If you think differently, then produce evidence to that effect.Right now, all we have is your assertion that scientists have overlooked the evidence provided by coelacanths and sharks to say that an organisms MUST evolve at a certain rate. Sounds kind of silly.

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Originally posted by ksc:
BTW: I'm still waiting for Percys apology.

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And we are still waiting for you to show us where the ToE requires a certain mutation rate and that evolution of a successful species is necessary.

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So i have to now assume that you and joey both teach that time and mutations DO NOT produce change. especially 340MYs worth of mutations.

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Heck, karl, your arguments sure haven't changed a bit in the last 2 years. Why not? Once again though: Why should a species evolve?

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Why don't you present some evidence from a text book that says things don't have to change instead of the evobabble you have been presenting.

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Did you ever hear of punctuated equilibrium? Do you think that PE suggests a constant rate of mutation?

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Originally posted by ksc:
Attention participants, especially Percy. As of this post I will begin to conduct a 1 week ban on Percy for his unprofessionalism in his task of administrator.

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In the following week I will not read any of his post nor will I respond to any of his post.

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Hey, Karl... could you apply that ban to the rest of us, too?Thanks, in advance.