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Author Topic:   Fate or Freewill?
Chris
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Message 7 of 27 (93101)
03-18-2004 5:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by tgrmst
03-17-2004 9:14 PM


What I believe is:
From nothing God made the space and with it also time, so God is not limited by them. Which means God is in the past, present, and future right now. So whatever you do or whatever you will do later He knew it already.
I don't think the future is set already, it's just.. God knew the future.

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Chris
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Message 11 of 27 (93226)
03-18-2004 7:10 PM


I read a post from Mike about this and I think he is right.
quote:
God walks into the bar.
God asks Bob, " What's your poison? "
Then God says - " By the way Bob, I know what you want to drink "
God thinks secretly that Bob will want a Martini - shaken not stirred.
Bob says, " No you don't know, I'm going to change my mind so you cannot possibly know. "
Bob continues " I want a vodka and orange on the house "
God says " Fine - but I still know the outcome ".
Bob retorts, " Ha - that's where you are wrong, I actually want a martini - shaken not stirred "
God replies " Fine, a martini it is. "
God still knows the outcome despite freewill.
And I also believe we have freewill.

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Chris
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Message 20 of 27 (93420)
03-19-2004 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by DC85
03-18-2004 8:00 PM


quote:
Chris that post makes 0 sense.... If God knows the outcome of everything is Predetermined therefore there is NO free will...
Let's think that the story is not about God, but you with time machine and Bob.
Whether what Bob will say, you can just use the time machine to go to the future and see what he will choose for his drink. Bob still has his free will, but his free will is useless for you because you have time machine. For Bob..he can change his mind 1000 times but you can just use your time machine.
quote:
what was the point of giving Adam and Eve the chance to obey in the first place? He knew darn well they would sin so why even let them in the garden? If they were Put in the imperfect world in the first place... they wouldn't know the difference?
I think if God didn't put them in the garden for the first place, there would be no free will for Adam & Eve.
And maybe also to let us know the story about original sin and how the world changed.

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