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Trofim Inactive Member |
Hi, I'm new here. I was wondering if anybody has statistical data about the rise of the popularity of creationism say in States or anywhere else in a world during the last century.
Thanks
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
Gallup has several public surveys that address this question. You might be able to find the survey's referenced on various sites, or you can subscribe to gallup , and have access to all their polls.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
A new Gallup poll shows that 48 percent of Americans believe in creationism, and only 28 percent in evolution (most of the rest aren't sure or lean toward ... Know Your Rights{Fixed link. There had been a blank space in the middle - Adminnemooseus} The site is certainly not friendly to Christianity, but it acknowledges the rise in creationism, falsely blaming it on the notion that some want a theocracy in America. That's nonsense. Those good folks simply want to preserve the free exercise half of the first amendment. [This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-19-2004] [This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 03-20-2004] The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
If I am not mistaken we were talking about something like this recently... I can tell you right now the USA is MUCH more relgious then the UK...
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IrishRockhound Member (Idle past 4458 days) Posts: 569 From: Ireland Joined: |
It's more or less unheard of in Ireland. I've yet to meet an Irish creationist, whether over the net or in real life... I'd almost say that it's predominantly an American phenomenon.
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The site is certainly not friendly to Christianity, but it acknowledges the rise in creationism Well, according to the Gallup polls, which that site misrepresented, there hasn't been any significant change since 1982. The numbers are available at several sites, including http://www.unl.edu/...courses/current/creation/evol-poll.htm and http://web.grcc.cc.mi.us/mseei/related_news_and_events.htm and the question was:
quote: (sorry about the huge space coming up, it appears to be a board bug with tables):
And in graphical format: {Rescaled graphic, to restore page width to normal. Getting rid of the space before the table is beyond my knowledge - Adminnemooseus} From this I draw several conclusions:
IOW, there is no "rise of creationism" in the beliefs of the American public.
Those good folks simply want to preserve the free exercise half of the first amendment. Who's infringing free exercise of First Amendment rights? (Which rights, BTW, dod not include saying anything you want wherever you wish, e.g. teaching whatever you want in public schools). [This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 03-20-2004]
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Itachi Uchiha Member (Idle past 5637 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: |
Being actually a college student, I usually ask most of my future colleagues and profesors what they truly believe about the origins of the universe. Profesors usually believe in theistic evolution except for a couple of atheist and christians present in the faculty who believe in complete evolution and young earth creationism respectively. Students mostly do not know what to believe. Here on my campus a lot of diferent organizations give out propaganda in favor of creationism, evolution end every other in between you can think of. This has left most of the students confused and usually end up believing in neither evolution nor creationism. With the ones i have talked to mostly say they dont give a shit about that. They say that their concern is today and whats gonna happen tomorrow. I agree with this in some way but the past has always shaped the form of the future and this is the importance in my opinion of this evo-creo debate
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nator Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I guess you don't talk to science majors much, right? And isn't it also funny that using Evolutionary theory, you can successfully predict quite a few things that will happen "tomorrow".
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nator Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
It is also true that the more formal education (of any kind--not just science education) an American has, the less likely it is that they will believe that Creationism is valid.
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5841 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
quote: While statistically speaking this is true, I'm starting to doubt that it is a causitive relationship. I think this was a topic in another thread somewhere, but I'll repeat something that I have seen happen. A number of well... I mean VERY WELL... educated and highly intelligent scientists I have known, suddenly departed from evolutionary theory to become hardcore creationists. It is true that their choice was based on emotions rather than facts (only later reading facts according to emotion), but it does suggest that education and intelligence may have little to do with evo-creo positions. After all they remained highly competent and highly paid scientists (one of them unbelievably in agricultural genetics: ie breeding) despite their unhinged approach to origins of speciation. It seems like maybe degree of intellectual honesty or a lack of emotional attachment to a specific theory, is the true deciding factor where people will come down on the issue. I'd like to think formal education helps start the ball rolling in that direction, but I'm not sure if that momentum ensures anyone from rolling into a gutter. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
[qs]It is also true that the more formal education (of any kind--not just science education) an American has, the less likely it is that they will believe that Creationism is valid.{/qs
What do you expect with every public school student having evolution exclusively force fed into their minds from kindegarten through higher education?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I think this was a topic in another thread somewhere, but I'll repeat something that I have seen happen. A number of well... I mean VERY WELL... educated and highly intelligent scientists I have known, suddenly departed from evolutionary theory to become hardcore creationists. It is true that their choice was based on emotions rather than facts (only later reading facts according to emotion), but it does suggest that education and intelligence may have little to do with evo-creo positions. After all they remained highly competent and highly paid scientists (one of them unbelievably in agricultural genetics: ie breeding) despite their unhinged approach to origins of speciation. Nonsense, to suggest that these intlligent scientists are foolish and naieve enough to operate on emotion in their scientific fields. They've simply considered the odds and said, "Impossible," and (forbid it) applied some common sense logic to their conclusion of origins.
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Lindum Member (Idle past 3419 days) Posts: 162 From: Colonia Lindensium Joined: |
buzsaw writes: What do you expect with every public school student having evolution exclusively force fed into their minds from kindegarten through higher education? Is this really what happens in US schools? Educated in the UK, I recall no teaching of evolution theory, but I was forced to read Genesis at primary school (4-11 years old).
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Is this really what happens in US schools? Educated in the UK, I recall no teaching of evolution theory, but I was forced to read Genesis at primary school (4-11 years old). .........And here our pilgrim forbears braved the dangerous ocean to be free beginning with Bible in schools. LOL. Now not so. No Genesis at all in public school and no Bible period. Kids get the old 150 million year old dino and ape to man tales force fed all the way. [This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-20-2004]
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5841 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
quote: No they did not buz. Interesting how you can speak for what they used to make a decision, seeing as I know them and you do not. You continue to master bearing false witness. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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