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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
quote: And you, sir, how many times must I remind you that the Qur'an said Muslims are only allowed to fight against those who oppress and attack them? And that violence without a reason is condemned by the Qur'an? By your way of thinking, I could pick and count the word 'devil' or 'satan' in your Bible and say that because your scriptures talk so much about the devil you must be a devil-worshipping sect. I will state that what I am doing is picking words out of context. If you say I am wrong, then you are also guilty of the same mistake. You only pick the word 'fight' without even bothering to read the words around it.
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Angeldust Inactive Member |
I don't know the original source of this statistic, so it could very well be incorrect, and how they determined this I don't know but...
I've heard it said that only 10% of the population actually thinks for themselves. The other 90% just go along with what they've been told from others. (I'm not commenting on anyone in particular before someone starts to get defensive) I think this is true within the church as well as outside of it. I think though that it's more obvious within the church because if we really believe it we should be able to say why, as well be knowledgeable about the particulars of the faith and probably some of it's history. People tend to be lazy as a rule, so unless they have a particular reason to work at something, they tend not to. There are a lot of people in churches who just go by what the pastor said on sunday, and that's all the knowledge they have. It's depressing but true. As a theist whose completely addicted to books and the search of knowledge, I won't take offense because you didn't say all theists. But I agree that many within the church need to wake up and really look at what they claim to believe.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
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Thiests tend to not be curious about the world? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: How can you say that, Me asking questions and researching Methods of dating the Earth (Greenland Ice Cores Topic) disproves your point. quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They do not read or study things? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: You can't put a few examples of Christians in a box and expect to have truth about all Christians in their Entirety. It's absurd. And how can you make assumptions about the thousands or Christians out there based on the so few that you have seen. (According to your view.) The earth is flat.
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2302 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
OK, this thread hasn't been on topic since post 8. I have asked that the Islam bashing be taken to a different thread, and now I'm asking that the theist vs atheist views on knowledge be taken to a new one also.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Asgara, before you condemn this thread as a bashing of Islam, why don't you refute my statements about Islam? Are they true, or not? If they cannot be proven to be untrue, it is not an Islam bashing thread.
[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-21-2004]
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Andya:
1. Many of the texts refering to fighting are not in the defensive vein.2. The Quran makes it plain that Islam is suppose to dominate the world and this implication is clear in many statement in the Quran I don't mean to go off topic, but I believe this is necessary information to substantiate the reason for my choice of the two idividuals in response to the thread title question.
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
quote: 1. Prove it to me. Quote chapter and verse and which translation.2. Same as no.1. Btw, this is off-topic. May I suggest you and I take this to another forum, Faith & Belief maybe?
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5819 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
quote: You know this could very well be true. I suppose the difference (in my perception) may be that theists more often try to preach to others about their faith, or get called on points of their faith, and as a result have more chances of proving how much they don't know than the average atheist does. Maybe I'll start spot checking atheists.
quote: Yeah, I really didn't mean to say all theists. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5819 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
quote: Well I don't know you enough to say whether you are interested in knowledge or not, but I will remind you that I wasn't saying ALL theists were disinterested. That means you and many others can be... just not the majority (according to my experience anyway). In fact, there are several theists on EvC which seem quite knowledgeable and I respect their opinions. So take it easy. Relax. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5819 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
quote: Why don't you go to the thread and read my response to find out? I'll clue you in, the biggest problem is that how many times "fight" is used in that one link doesn't make one bit a difference. Nice try though. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Riley Inactive Member |
Apostle,
First, no offense intended, but if you want to discuss Friedrich Nietzsche it's a good idea to learn how to spell his name. I'm making the assumption that you identify Nietzsche as the "mastermind" whose ideas were either "used... or twisted" by Hitler. If so: 1. What works or concepts of Nietzsche did Hitler use? Did he use those works cogently or not? Did Hitler ever quote Nietzsche in public? 2. Was Nietzsche an anti-Semite? Was he a proponent of German nationalism? 3. Did the Nazis act in accordance with Nietzsche's writings? Which ones? 4. If Nietzsche was "twisted" by Hitler, is that somehow a result of Nietzsche's work? Did he ever consider the misuse of his concepts? 5. How did you determine that Nietzsche was "the" influence on Hitler? Are there any others? Can we parcel out responsibility? 6. In your opinion, would Nazism have arisen without Nietzsche as a precursor?
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Corkscrew Inactive Member |
Jesus would have to close to the top of this list....assuming that we are listing people who 'started' evil balls rolling.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Understood.
The earth is flat.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jesus would have to close to the top of this list....assuming that we are listing people who 'started' evil balls rolling. Those evil balls began rolling because evil regimes like pagan Rome which persecuted the early Christians. Under Constantine pagan Rome then emerged with a concoction of Christianity which became hierarchial and brutal, ignoring the clear instructions of Christ and the apostles about harming no one but operating out of a love agenda. Jesus was the one who's influence set off the ball but Satan was pushing the ball along. [This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-21-2004]
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Andya: 1. Many of the texts refering to fighting are not in the defensive vein. 2. The Quran makes it plain that Islam is suppose to dominate the world and this implication is clear in many statement in the Quran -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Prove it to me. Quote chapter and verse and which translation.2. Same as no.1. Btw, this is off-topic. May I suggest you and I take this to another forum, Faith & Belief maybe? If I participate in another Islam thread, Asgara's shure's heck gona add another to her list of two Islamic bashing threads I'm into if I post the facts. Besides, I don't see that we're off topic. How am I gona show that Mohammed is a dangerous man to prove my point for the topic of this thread without discussing him and his religion, pray tell?? There's quite a lot in the link I gave about fighting and not all in the defensive vein from both the Quran, and the Haddiths. Did you read them?
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