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Author Topic:   Creationism and the clash of civilisations
Trofim
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Message 1 of 8 (94080)
03-23-2004 6:45 AM


As I can see from the statistics kindly presented by other members in my last topic there has been no rise in the popularity of creatioinism among the population. However, there has been a political success in propagating the creationism in Georgia and other states. As I can see, political leaders have become quite benevolent to the idea of teaching creationism in schools also in UK. So, where this political success comes from? Is it due to the efforts of people advocating and propagating the ideas of creationism, or there is a political background for it. Like for example the "clash of civilisation" described by Huntigton in the same name book, which is known to be the oracle of president Bush.
In simple words I was wondering which statement comes first:
1. Political leaders have become more benevolent to the ideas of creationism, because they are like other humans have read quite a lot about it and became sceptical about the theory of evolution. Or:
2. Political leaders have read not too much about it, but they want to enforce the religious basis of christian civilisation so they go for the creationism as a theory supporting the Bible and religion. However, if they do, would it support christianity as a main "western" religion or any other religion that worshipes God as a creator?
Thank you

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crashfrog
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Message 2 of 8 (94087)
03-23-2004 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Trofim
03-23-2004 6:45 AM


So, where this political success comes from?
I'd say it's part of a general upswing in Christian activism. A number of traditionally conservative positions seem to be on the rise - banning homosexuality, eliminating the secular public tradition, evangelical cinema, etc.
Jesus is hot, right now.

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Angeldust
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Message 3 of 8 (94101)
03-23-2004 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by crashfrog
03-23-2004 7:16 AM


I think your right. In Canada their saying that the sleeping giant has awaken. Should be interesting, if nothing else to see how it plays out in the public arena.

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Loudmouth
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Message 4 of 8 (94186)
03-23-2004 4:33 PM


Methinks it is a combination of "the squeeky wheel gets the grease" and general apathy towards scientific principles among people (political leaders) who have never understood science. It is a bit like lawyers judging what gets funded in at the National Institute of Health. At least grant approval is still peer reviewed, unlike our science curriculum in public schools.

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RAZD
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Message 5 of 8 (94576)
03-24-2004 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Loudmouth
03-23-2004 4:33 PM


Dumbing down america is the agenda of "no child gets left ahead"
throw in a little "end justifies the means" attitude for the likes of Karl Rowe and the neo-cons using pseudo-religion to gain backers that are unquestioningly delirious to see their pet beliefs mouthed by smirking smiles while the bank is robbed.
ps - I'm liberal ... in case you didn't figure it out.

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
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Loudmouth
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Message 6 of 8 (94734)
03-25-2004 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by RAZD
03-24-2004 7:43 PM


quote:
Dumbing down america is the agenda of "no child gets left ahead"
Indeed. Lower standards for everyone in order to advance the lower end of the bell curve. Although it sounds altruistic, in the end it is just a political contrivance.
quote:
throw in a little "end justifies the means" attitude for the likes of Karl Rowe and the neo-cons using pseudo-religion to gain backers that are unquestioningly delirious to see their pet beliefs mouthed by smirking smiles while the bank is robbed.
Not that Bush is Hitler, but the Mad Man of Germany used the same ploy during his climb to power. Say what people want to hear and you get carte blanche.
Give tax breaks to the people with the greatest political voice and your power grows even more. Call everyone who disagrees unpatriotic and you have the trifecta. Kerry in '04, let's cross our fingers.

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RAZD
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Message 7 of 8 (94748)
03-25-2004 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Loudmouth
03-25-2004 2:39 PM


indeed
Hitler not the only one, just the most 'visible' reminder.

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jar
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Message 8 of 8 (101572)
04-21-2004 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by crashfrog
03-23-2004 7:16 AM


I don't think it can really be descibed as Christian activism. There is a large body of Christians that think Creationism down right funny at best, silly as a rule and outright dangerous at worst.
There seem to be two types of Christians out there today (perhaps since the beginning) that look at the world and religion from diametrically opposite viewpoints. There is one group that looks at Christianity (and unfortunately TRUTH) as being bounded by the Bible (whichever version is their particular choice).
The second group look on GOD and the world as a whole. They do not tend to limit GOD. They look on the Bible as a map, rather than the territory itself.
For the second group, there are no problems such as the age of the universe or evolution. They see no conflicts between science and religion, the former deals with the HOWS while the later deals with WHY.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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