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Author Topic:   About that Boat - Noah's Ark
Mespo
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Message 166 of 296 (93847)
03-22-2004 11:57 AM


Another fine navy tradition
Okay Paul, I'll concede the point. At least Noah waited to hit the beach before he got sloshed. Although, waiting for the vines to grow took a heck of a lot of discipline.
(:raig

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Message 167 of 296 (93859)
03-22-2004 2:03 PM


non sequitur
http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/2004/03/14/
ooops?

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Message 168 of 296 (93863)
03-22-2004 2:24 PM
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Re: non sequitur
So thats what the ARK looked like!!

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Message 169 of 296 (94022)
03-23-2004 1:49 AM
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Re: non sequitur
it's as good a picture as any other I've seen ... imao.

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Message 170 of 296 (94141)
03-23-2004 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Quetzal
03-22-2004 9:55 AM


Re: crab dancing on the ark by the light of the moon
AAT
Would "all the things that crawl upon the earth" include every critter that spends any part of it's time above high tide but most of it's life in the water? Where do you draw the line between land crabs, intertidal crabs and deep sea crabs? None of which interbreed (to put it "kindly").

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Message 171 of 296 (94160)
03-23-2004 3:16 PM
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03-23-2004 1:46 PM


Re: crab dancing on the ark by the light of the moon
Yeah, it does sort of beg the question on intertidal zone critters. Also, it's not immediately obvious where amphibians belong - land or water dwellers? Olive Ridleys only come ashore to nest, Ambystoma mexicalis never leaves the water, although it's limited to fresh water. Aquatic or land crawler? Tis' a puzzlement.

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Message 172 of 296 (94228)
03-23-2004 6:52 PM
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03-23-2004 3:16 PM


Re: crab dancing on the ark by the light of the moon
The Bible says that all with the breath of life in their nostrils died. Some YECs use this to excuse invertebrates that don't breathe through nostrils. However, it does mean that Amphibians should be on board as well as Pinnipeds(seals, sea lions, walrus) and manatee. Whether to count whales and dolphins, I don't know. I think pinnipeds and manatee are a pretty big problem though. How did they get to and from the ark? One might ask the same about penguins I suppose but they probably walk long distances better than elephant seals or manatee.
Randy

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Message 173 of 296 (94297)
03-24-2004 12:10 AM
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Re: crab dancing on the ark by the light of the moon
The question is not how they got to the ark -- the presumption (standard) is that the world was entirely different before the "flood" event.
The question is how they got where they are after the flood, and why ONLY there ... koalas? S.Am Sloths? etcetera.
Penguins have no trouble with water routes - they "fly" underwater, hence there modified but highly developed wings.

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Message 174 of 296 (94389)
03-24-2004 8:40 AM
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03-24-2004 12:10 AM


Hiking seals
I did say to and from. I have a thread on that below but the YEC haven't done much with it so far.
http://EvC Forum: Biogeography falsifies the worldwide flood. -->EvC Forum: Biogeography falsifies the worldwide flood.
Randy

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Message 175 of 296 (94396)
03-24-2004 9:47 AM
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03-24-2004 8:40 AM


Re: Hiking seals
excellent post. I am saving it to link on another board when needed. talkorigins also has an article on this problem.
we had a fellow posit that koalas travelled in a grove of eucaliptus trees that formed a path to australia - a moving oasis - in a series of discussions that came to be known as "the magic koala" scenario.
and yes I saw that you did have both, but "getting to" is unecessary concern, the "getting from" is the critical one.

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Message 176 of 296 (103971)
04-29-2004 9:33 PM
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02-29-2004 10:01 PM


Re: NAVAL ARCHITECTS/MARINE ENGINEERS
I did a little investigating on Shearer and Assoc., the people that did the stability study for Mr. Silver's Ark specs. Please note that they steel design barges, not ocean-going craft. Also, Mr. Silver put in a transparent overhead and transverse bulkheads. He seems to have also included some modern stuff in a bronze age boat. Shearer did the calcs assuming the Ark was a box and no provisions were made for surviving heavy weather. No moon pool or great honking side hatch. Also, the size and numbers of the animals is not too clear. Silver supplied the figures.
Almost all builders, shipwrights and designers I've talked with all smile and shake their heads when I bring up the ark.

Reunite Gondwana!

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Message 177 of 296 (104009)
04-30-2004 12:06 AM
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04-29-2004 9:33 PM


Re: NAVAL ARCHITECTS/MARINE ENGINEERS
No anchor stones either.
Cozy job to get eh? standard fees and no liability ....

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Message 178 of 296 (105061)
05-03-2004 7:55 PM
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04-30-2004 12:06 AM


Re: NAVAL ARCHITECTS/MARINE ENGINEERS
Yeah. Nowadays, ya run your boat onto a mountain, ya can sue the "Designer".

Reunite Gondwana!

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Message 179 of 296 (105067)
05-03-2004 8:27 PM
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Re: NAVAL ARCHITECTS/MARINE ENGINEERS
Nah, you just end up paying for environmental clean up for leavin' stupid anchor stones layin' all over the place.

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Message 180 of 296 (105070)
05-03-2004 8:39 PM
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05-03-2004 8:27 PM


Re: NAVAL ARCHITECTS/MARINE ENGINEERS
Well, yer not really polluting since those rocks came from there anyway, eh.

Reunite Gondwana!

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