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joshua221  Inactive Member |
sry posted something on bros name, bros name is prophex- Messenjah
[This message has been edited by prophex, 03-22-2004] The earth is flat.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: uhhh? It doesn't. Right?
quote: Why would a doctor perform an abortion on something that isn't going to become a baby? What would be the need of that procedure? [This message has been edited by messenjaH of oNe, 03-22-2004] -chris
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: Unfortunately this isn't easy. Can you please explain why "they are not"?
quote: When did blatant truth become a metaphysical position? I know I've said this to death but here it goes again: Why would a doctor perform an abortion on something that isn't going to become a baby? What would be the need of that procedure?
quote: Please forgive me holmes. I know I am judging her on the belief that murder is wrong. I'm also sorry if this sounds harsh. I'm sorry you disagree. I'm sorry there is no other definition to use to describe such a procedure. There is no other belief in this besides respect for human life. If letting someone decide upon murder is what is needed for the mother that needs choice, then that is fine I guess, all depending on your point of view. Regarding most of your other post: Why would a doctor perform an abortion on something that isn't going to become a baby? What would be the need of that procedure?
quote: I was wrong here
quote: I don't know why you corner me into this idea that my insentive for this was religious. Anyone with a respect for life could agree. I know it is easier for me to be arguing for "my heavenly Father" or for me to feel I'm feeling this way because this is what God wants. Accuse me, assume, however you want to tear down someone who is "anti abortion" assuming they are religious. peace [This message has been edited by messenjaH of oNe, 03-22-2004]
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2303 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Chris, I have a GREAT respect for life but that doesn't change the fact that I also have a GREAT respect for a woman's right to choose.
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why does your conviction trump mine? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- uhhh? It doesn't. Right? Then you are agreeing that it's the woman's choice? It's her convictions that matter and no one else's?
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is a person? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why would a doctor perform an abortion on something that isn't going to become a baby? What would be the need of that procedure? The removal of tissue from a woman's uterus isn't always called an abortion and it isn't always performed on something that MIGHT become a baby. Asgara "Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: So the woman is allowed to be Death?
quote: I'm saying an abortion is performed when their is a future baby inside a woman right? -chris
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
This is a misunderstanding of my own intentions. I am much more interested in facts supporting a position, than debates surrounding whether I got your position on a specific statement right or not.
quote: Well, that's just it, isn't it? I think your perspctive of yourself might be a little inaccurate. I have, in fact, had to correct you many times because your tendency can sometimes be to misinterpret in the worst light possible. It's not so easy to dissuade you from your interpretation, in my experience. So this is why I and some others have had frustrations with you. We end up doing exactly what you say you don't want to do; arguing what we said/meant instead of arguing facts.
quote: See, that's not the experience I have had. Not with every point and not in every post, but it happens enough.
quote: Well, I do judge whether or not I am right or wrong based upon facts, but whether or not I am willing to continue to spend time in discussion with a particular debater is determined by how interesting they are to debate with and if they debate in good faith. Like I said, you don't do this all the time. It seems to happen when emotional hot buttion issues are discussed. (Mind you, I am not trying to portray myself as some kind of flawless debater here.)
[quote]"Are you seriously suggesting that rapes make up all abortions, or that women should be given a free ride on sexual responsibility when it is not rape?"
quote: ...if you interpret what I said in the worst possible (and silly) light. Nobody else in this thread seems to have come to the same interpretation you did, not even close. I told you that I did not believe this at all, and did not understand why you woult think that I did, yet you repeated it in a later post.
quote: That's true, but when you make these worst-possible interpretations to argue against, it makes me less inclined to listen to what you have to say.
quote: Well, that is certainly what happened.
quote: So do I, except when the misreads of statements are not so easily corrected and I am forced to correct misstatements repeatedly.
quote: I understand, but I feel like it isn't so easy to get you to change your misinterpretation.
quote: Well, you were pissing me off, too.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps a link or thred and message number?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Messinjah, please explain where along in gesteation fertilized egg becomes a person.
Or, do you equate fertilized eggs with persons?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So the government is allowed to force a woman to incubate a fetus? Remember, childbirth is not some kind of walk in the park. Women and girls die from pregnancy and birth complications every year, and many more are left infirile or otherwise injured. Medically, it's much safer for even a healthy woman or girl to have an abortion or take the morning after pill. Attention Required! | Cloudflare 'A government study conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and released in 1999, found that the maternal mortality rate is still problematic. The national rate is 7.7 per every 100,000 women: the death of one woman for every 12,987 who give birth. That's more than twice the goal set by the federal government under its Healthy People 2000 initiative (3.3 deaths per 100,000 women). And big disparities also exist; among African-American women in New York, for example, the study found that 28.7 of these women die for every 100,000 pregnancies. And those numbers simply reflect maternal mortality the number of women who died in pregnancy or 42 days after giving birth. That's not counting the number of women who survived the various serious complications that can occur during and after pregnancy. Dr. Jeffrey C. King, head of the Maternal Mortality Task Force of the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, reported that for every maternal death there were an estimated 3,100 hospitalizations for pregnancy-related complications. Patricia Schroeder, the former Democratic Congress member from Colorado, once voiced these concerns about the dangers of pregnancy and childbirth. She did so both as a lawmaker and as a woman who had nearly died in childbirth. As Ms. Schroeder remarked, "There is a myth that pregnancy is no problem and that the only reason someone would want to end it is for something trivial or selfish."
quote: So, since most "future babies" do not lead to a pregnancy and are flushed out of the body during menstruation, do you suggest colletion and examination of all menstrual fluid just in case there is a "future baby" in there? Also, do you object to IUD's?
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Of course, let me dig it up.
The earth is flat.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: lol Was that typo made on purpose?
quote: "Why would a doctor perform an abortion on something that isn't going to become a baby? What would be the need of that procedure?" When the pregnant mother-to-be is able to have an abortion performed. -peace
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1240 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: Let's play a little game I like to call repetition. So the woman is allowed to be Death? Her governing choices decide life or death for the baby. For life or choice? Give me liberty or give me death! How ironic.
quote: Let me rephrase that. It's hard to compile words together when one likes to distort them. When there is a pregnancy. When the abortion can be performed. Like a broken record. I'm getting tired of these questions that I've already answered.
quote: nope. -peace [This message has been edited by messenjaH of oNe, 03-26-2004] -chris
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
You haven't answered my question:
"Please explain where along in gesteation fertilized egg becomes a person.Or, do you equate fertilized eggs with persons?" quote: A woman is able to take a morning-after pill which will flush an egg out of her body mere hours after it was fertilized. This is essentially an extremely early abortion. Do you equate the taking of a morning after pill with murdering a person? Also, do you advocate examining the menstrual fluid of all women to look for "potential babies", as most fertilized eggs do not implant and are discharged during menstruation? Can you please indicate and explain where along in the gestation of a fertilized egg that it becomes a person?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Where along in the gestation of a fertilized egg does it become a person? The moment of conception? 24 hours? One week? 6 weeks? 3 months? At what moment is it a person? Or, do you equate fertilized eggs with persons? Yes or no, chris?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Her choiced also decide, in some cases, life or death for herself, as well. I find it very telling that you have no comment whatsoever on my data regarding the danger of childbirth. Women DIE from complications of childbirth. More are rendered infertile. Death from abortion is almost unheard of. Death from the morning after pill is even less heard of. You believe that the you or the government has the right to force girls and women to increse their chance of death and infertility?
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