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Mike the Wiz quote:
"One thing though, do you believe then, in evolution or creation or doesn't it bother you much?
How about the Old Testament - do you believe in it literally?"I believe in creation and I do believe literally in the OT. I do believe that scripture, OT and NT, is inspired by G-d and that Jesus IS the Word in the flesh.Prior to becoming Christian I did not believe the Bible to be literal at all, however the Holy Spirit has convicted me in my heart, and through my studies, that it is. I used to hold similar views as some non-believers in here, perhaps not as militant though , however the Holy Spirit has been working to shed my world views and help me to understand from G-d's perspective (as best as my finite human mind can understand).If someone thinks me a fool for believing what I do, so be it.1 Corinthians 3:18
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.2 Corinthians 11:19
For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.Mike the Wiz quote:
"It's fantastic that you provide me with this scripture, I read it and it was significant to my situation in my life, (that part I read) - but I couldn't remember it.....and now you unwittingly provide chapter and verse. - thanks. It seems that the spirit does searcheth all things."Indeed the Spirit does searcheth all things, there are no coincidences with G-d. I encourage you my dear brother, to stand steadfast in your faith and patiently wait for the day when our Father will once and for all settle the debate amongst men, who really is the Most High. All praise and glory to the Creator of all.May you be blessed this day in the Name of Jesus,
carolyn

Josiah quote:"Nothing will get you prepared for witnessing like these forums that is a fact."Yup, I can see that. It's a tough crowd no question. However I don't think I'm as equipped as some other believers here to debate using science. My understanding is stronger in the acient esoteric religions and occultism.It is my pleasure to meet my brothers and sisters in here, how I love my family in Christ. I love also the cynics in here and I how I wish they could know the power of Jesus, the real Jesus, not the 'church' Jesus.In Jesus' Name
pinky

Mr Jack quote:
"What is this 'G-d' rather than God and 'L-rd' rather than Lord stuff about?"Nothing of major importance. 'God' can be generic as can 'lord', some choose to use sacred names for this reason, I type G-d and L-rd. Maybe it's silly, yes, He knows of whom I speak. It's more a personal reverence thing than anything.Peace
pinky

Quote: ...except that religious belief has changed many times depending upon who is doing the interpreting and believing. Believers just call the new belief "inerrant" until it is changed again in the future.Don't remember who wrote this, but sad as it is, it is generally true. There are so many hippocrates in the Christian religion, so many people confused, and spouting their confused ideology like truth, that i can see why anyone would want to stay away from religion period.[This message has been edited by Mnenth, 04-01-2004]

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I believe in creation and I do believe literally in the OT.

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Do you then also believe that the hundreds of thousands of scientists over several centuries who's findings contradict a literal reading of the OT are all completely deluded, or perhaps lying?I mean, you would have to reject most of modern science, including the science which allows you to use your computer to participate in this forum, if you think the OT is literally true. You'd have to reject most of modern medicine, too, including vaccinations, the use of antibiotics or anything else other than exorcisms to cure disease, because the OT says that demons (or God) cause disease.I could go on, but you get the idea.Why do reject all of science on religious grounds?

Welcome, Pinky.

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Prior to becoming Christian I did not believe the Bible to be literal at all, however the Holy Spirit has convicted me in my heart, and through my studies, that it is.

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What has convinced you? In other words, what caused you to side with A instead of B (or C or D, etc)?Thanks.

schrafinator quote:"Do you then also believe that the hundreds of thousands of scientists over several centuries who's findings contradict a literal reading of the OT are all completely deluded, or perhaps lying?"??"Hundreds of thousands of scientists"?? I'm not too sure about that number, but there are many scientists who's findings do in fact support the Biblical account of history, so I guess it boils down to which scientists we choose to believe.I also don't understand this mantra that if I believe the literal translation of the OT I somehow reject all science???? I do believe that some science is good and sound, but not all. I do believe that there are elements within the scientific community that are fraternal and self serving, which contribute more to social engineering than educating the masses in truth.The world is full of lies, disinformation and propaganda. (Modern day churches are no exception). I choose the wisdom of G-d, through His Word and the power of the Holy Spirit, to help sort through this chaotic web. I do NOT put my faith in men for understanding, I put my faith in the Creator.I have NEVER been a fan of modern medicine in the context of pharmaceuticals. The pharmaceutical industry being a profit driven close cousin of the petroleum industry.Since becoming Christian I have found faithful prayer to be far more effective than medication in healing certain ailments.I do not think that every time a person gets sick that they are demon possessed and require an exorcism, LOL, nor do I think such a notion is supported by scripture.peace
pinky

I know there are no coincidences, thanks for the encouragement my dear pinky partaker of the faith. Also (Schraff) - Why do you think if we believe in the bible we automatically reject or hate science? I believe in matter like anybody else, I'm also pretty agreed when it comes to the Periodic Table etc. We don't reject hard fought efforts of men/women of science immediately because of our bible. BTW - I agree we breathe in oxygen.

I have to latch on to this one since it is at least one point of agreement. I don't want to oversimplify but I know, well, a number of docs of all political stripes. This is one refrain that is common to them. The drug companies are a big problem. All I can say here is be careful about which ailments you pick for which treatment. People die by making a wrong choice.

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What is this 'G-d' rather than God and 'L-rd' rather than Lord stuff about?

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Ancient Hebrew, the written language that the Old Testament was originally written in, had no vowels. They only had consonents, which have made it very very difficult for modern scholars to translate the origial texts. This is the main reason why the Jews never ever say God's supposed name "YHWY," because they do not know how it is supposed to sound.Anyway, I just think that somebody in the past tried to imitate Ancient Hebrew, thinking that it will make him holier, and others just followed.

quote:You'd have to reject most of modern medicine, too, including vaccinations, the use of antibiotics or anything else other than exorcisms to cure disease, because the OT says that demons (or God) cause disease.please, show me the scripture(s) that says this. I've never seen anything like that before. Being a christian doesnt mean that you reject science, and neither does believing that the OT is literal. Sure, there is a great deal of evidence which points to the earth being 4.5 billion years old, but there is no way to say that God didn't make it that way. Or something drastic weathered the earth faster than normal.... say the flood?

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Sure, there is a great deal of evidence which points to the earth being 4.5 billion years old, but there is no way to say that God didn't make it that way.

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Ok, so are you telling us that we are dealing with a God that created false evidence for us to find and condemn us to hell because we decided to use the human intellect and curiosity that he supposedly gave us?This sounds too much to me like the chinese method of interrogation where they present the prisoner with 3 lights and demand that the prisoner say there are 4 lights. The point of this is to break the prisoner's will.What an unjust entity your God is.

Lam, i never said that i agreed with it. In fact i shoulddnt have posted it. Cause what u said is true. that wouldnt be fair. and God is a just God.

I am also saying that i believe the earth to be about 10 thousand years old because there is also a great deal of evidence pointing to that. For example: the earth's rotation has been slowly slowing down. Calculate it out, and if the earth were the billions of years old u say it is, then the earth would be rotating fast enought to easily be throwing all life, and large chucks of top soil into space.
Example 2: the moon has slowly been drawing farther and farther from the earth. calculate it, and 4.5 billion years ago it would have been smack dab in the core.

Leviticus 14 leaves no doubt that God causes leprosy. God also offers an absurd "cure" for leprosy. Do you believe this stupid treatment would actually work?