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RAZD
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Message 281 of 308 (97409)
04-03-2004 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 274 by simple
04-03-2004 12:31 AM


Re: lights out on the highway
now you are invoking spiritual light when a previous post you say it is not visible.
the horizon is caused by the speed of light and your assumed age of the universe. the visibility of light from beyond that horizon with no detectable difference from the visibility of light from inside that horizon says, in effect, that the horizon does not exist, that the age of the universe is not less than the observed age of 13.7 billion years.

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RAZD
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Message 282 of 308 (97410)
04-03-2004 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by simple
04-03-2004 12:27 AM


Re: spectral light
if it is not detectable it is not a useable concept. it adds no information, it changes nothing about the problems with the detectable light.

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Message 286 of 308 (97414)
04-03-2004 1:43 AM
Reply to: Message 284 by simple
04-03-2004 1:23 AM


Re: lights out on the highway
Ahh, I thought you might be misunderstanding something by your questions. All light is the same, in and out, in the physical universe we have here. Where the difference WAS, was before seperation, and possibly an adaptive little process as it was seperated. THEN, when we were merged with the spirit plane, the light would be unbound by time.
Actually we have been over this about 50 times and you just don't seem to understand that there is no way to account for the light from the far reaches getting to be visible in a 6200 year old universe without being affected. Go back and read from the beginning and you will find this issue raised again and again. YOUR hose metaphor didn't solve it, your "process" didn't solve it, nothing has solved it yet.
There is no light left over from before the separation because it was instantaneous -- it's already done travelling, in fact it finished 6200 years ago, if your concept is to be trusted.
Do we ghost light now?

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Message 287 of 308 (97415)
04-03-2004 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by simple
04-03-2004 1:13 AM


Re: perfect harmony
light is not a string
as soon as the separation occurred there was a gap caused by the difference in speed -- the highway metaphor (again)
the express lane speed is instantaneous
the feeder lane is 3e8 m/s
at the separation (6200 years ago by the AC version) light switched from the express lane to the feeder lane
all light that had been in the express lane was already at destination
all light in the feeder lane now took time to get there
a period of darkness ensues ... the light trickles in, first from the sun, then Alpha Centauri, then more distant stars ... but not possible yet from further than 6200 light years away.
contradiction between concept and fact = invalidation of concept.

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Message 288 of 308 (97416)
04-03-2004 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by simple
04-02-2004 8:39 PM


Re: light that's yet to be
then you need to re-read your analogy, for that is what it says.

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RAZD
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Message 297 of 308 (97519)
04-03-2004 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by Melchior
04-03-2004 7:53 AM


Re: perfect harmony
If we suddenly increase the speed of light by even, say +50%, we get.
A new light with a new wavelenght of 450000000/(6.6*10^14) = 682 nanometer. This is a rather nice bright red light.
Applying the (13.7 billion/6200) of distance observed divided by assumed age of universe means the factor is 2.2 million ... which should take the light well outside the visible range.

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Message 298 of 308 (97520)
04-03-2004 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by JonF
04-03-2004 9:03 AM


Re: perfect harmony
Actualy, when you change the speed of light, you change all sorts of other stuff as well,
and the energy given off as light drops from infinite speed to a finite speed even if it is 3e8 m/s) is ....
infinite?

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Message 299 of 308 (97522)
04-03-2004 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by simple
04-03-2004 12:58 PM


Re: perfect harmony
still no comment at all on the Hindu Model ....
in harmony with the concept
in harmony with the observations
in harmony with the theories
enjoy one last post?

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Message 304 of 308 (97627)
04-04-2004 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by Sylas
04-03-2004 10:11 PM


Re: The light of life
Or what is wrong between his concept and the observed depth and age of the universe, and transmission of light, and never answered about the problems with the age of the earth or other versions of the concept that did not make the YEC assumption and thus did not have those problems.
Like hitting jello with a hammer. Makes a satisfying splat, but it's still jello.

we are limited in our ability to understand
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RAZD
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Message 308 of 308 (97636)
04-04-2004 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 301 by Adminnemooseus
04-03-2004 6:00 PM


Re: Now passing 300 messages
I think your answer is in arkathon's last posts

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