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Author Topic:   Why is bible literalism so important to YEC?
Tranquility Base
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Message 6 of 20 (9663)
05-15-2002 3:55 AM


One reason is where do you stop allegorizing? Creation, Noah, Abraham Moses, Joseph, David, Jesus? It is very easy to tell when Jesus is telling a parable. It is very easy to tell when Ezekiel or John are having a vision. The creation and flood accounts are clearly meant ot be literal. Jesus and he apostles spoke of them literally. The writer of Hebrews commends Noah's role in the ark event. We also really do think the data itself speaks of the flood. Lastly the overall quality and consistency of the scriptures is good evidence of its divine origin.
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Message 9 of 20 (9702)
05-15-2002 8:55 PM


^We're not saying we have a systematic quantitative model which totally reconstructs the properties of the geological column. Some work along those lines has been done, yes, with success. Even evoltuionists some times explain morphology changes up the column via biogeolgrpahy (which automatically really means hydrodynamic sorting and rapid burial).
I'm sure you've read a lot of the stuff here. I'll post some mainstream quotes soon where rapid origin of layers, beds and cyclothems (coal beds etc) are admitted. All we're saying is that mainstream researchers actaully agree that most layering was rapid (hence we still see layers, they aren't mixed by marine organisms etc, hence polystrate fossils, hence constant paleocurrents fro millions of years etc) and the yassume that the geolgoical time is between the layers. We think the latter can't be true becasue there are not enough unevenly eroded interfaces (unconformities). The Grand Canyon strata themselves were laid in only a handful of episodes (and possiblty a single episode with a few surges).
The flowering plants issue - we obviously believe it is due to biogeography and burial order. The column clearly displays marine organisms first. The details - we don't know for sure yet (although Woodmorappe may have looked at this), but it's our expectation based on the evidence of rapid formation of the column. I agree it would be an excellet test of any quantitative computer model. Don't get too excited about your challenges to us - it may backfire when/if we show a model where this feature of the geological column naturally emerges as a consequence of the global flood!
The North American paleocurrent data (flow rate/direction) already matches detailed creationist computer simulations as an example.
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Message 14 of 20 (9744)
05-16-2002 1:15 AM


^I don't think we're going to drop the Bible becasue of a few undotted is and uncrossed ts Joe. There are very few issues in which I find Biblical ambiguities to cause insurmountable problems.
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Message 16 of 20 (9757)
05-16-2002 2:16 AM


But I don't Joe. I know of no point of Christian doctrine or creation/flood issue which hinges crucially on a single ambiguous verse of scripture. Yes we may propose what some things might be indicating but in that case it is a minor point.
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Message 18 of 20 (9765)
05-16-2002 2:39 AM


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