bulletproof alternate universe

Made it thru the thread with this one! There could be something to it. Watch out world, I'm almost a big bang whiz, ready to poke more accurate fun at it. tks

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It would be required that the spiritual stars were made up of different atoms in order to give off a different frequency, and then somehow change into normal atoms during the shift

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That's easy. The complete universe stars, of course being different than our physical u. atoms, since they we not our material, would naturally give off a different frequency. And the whole purpose of the shift was to transform them into what we would call now 'normal' atoms. As far as knowing exactly how He did it, hey we're not God. Main thing is that it did get done.

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Actualy, when you change the speed of light, you change all sorts of other stuff as well, such as the fine structure constant and the strength of gravity and other important and detectable things.

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Yes a big change indeed from what you can't see, to what we have now. Certainly, the gravity must be different in a spiritual universe!I am pretty sure the other side had some changes then as well, in their universe. Apparently it is not somehow complete now. When it merges again, it will be complete.

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Almost. The basic underlying model is not of many soup specks all over. It is just soup

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Speck sized soup!

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The universe looks the same in every direction, though as we look at the most distant galaxies we are looking back in time;

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Yes, how much real time is the big question.

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The most distant galaxies we see by looking in opposite directions are so far apart that they cannot ever have been in contact with each other according to simplest extrapolations of expanding space.

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Maybe they were'nt. That would be simple.

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It is the same in the very early universe. What we can see was once contained in a small region;

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At least we can bank on this!

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In the end, we just don't know what we lies beyond our vision.

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A lot of details about the other side are known, even though we can't yet see it.

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Note that this model is not proposing a primeval atom, or an initial speck. It proposes a thick quark-gluon soup which is expanding.

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I really see no difference! Unless you are talking about the whole theory, and concerned with such distinctions. I tried to break it gently to you, but all maybe most, or at least many people care about is stars coming from a little area. It don't matter to me if something I could barely see, straining my eyes, that was to expand out into galaxies was a thick soup, a cheese, a pepper speck, or coffee, or anything else. I don't believe the theory. My one and only concern with the theory is that people really thought this little thing more or less created (or expanded into) most of our known universe. I don't care where they think it came from, although you say they admit they don't know. I don't care how big they can dream it may have gotten. (that's philosphical speculation). All I care is the point our universe was supposedly a little speck of soup. Like I say, calling it a speck is fine with me at that point, because no one on earth would have been able to look at it, and tell the difference! Stop getting offended people at the little thick soup being called a speck! The main thing is you think almost everything came from it!

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Developing a scientific theory capable of matching all the pertinent observations is not easy.

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Ha.

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The thing that has small size is a region within the soup.

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OK, so we have a "region" as big as a speck, so a billion people lining up, to take turns looking at it with a magnifying glass wouldn't see any difference between the rgion and a speck of the same size. The region of the speck! Has a nice ring to it!

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The size of the soup is not known. It might even be infinite in size.

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So in effect, it doesn't matter, cause what matters is all our galaxies supposedly came from this tiny speck sized region!

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About 13 billion years for the most distant galaxies.

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Yes, if we preferred to travel 12th class, and ride light out there at it's speed of travel.

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the real question why are they so alike?

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Why would God make them so different?

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If you don't care about the details, that's fine. Just don't pretend that you will be able to make a credible criticism or alternative of a model you don't care to understand.

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That's where you guys come in. Now I can speak authoritivly of the little region in the soup from which most of our known universe sprang! The rest of the model, I don't need to critizize much. It's the silly part I like.

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That is, you don't have a reason as such for rejecting modern physics, other than personal incredulity.

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'Personal incredulity' based on the very word of God Himself. Also millions of witnesses to it's power. You (evolutionist thinkers in general) then have no reason for rejecting ghosts, angels, and a spirit world, other than 'personal incredulity'.

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every working scientist is agreed on a basic underlying model, then just maybe there is a good reason for that

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They are all wrong, because the time is off.

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while persistently disclaiming any interest in making an effort to get your descriptions of the scientific models accurate

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Getting them accurate is good, Getting them to agree with timeframes that are wrong, is bad. When science can say the spirit world exists, then maybe they can tell me I got something a little off. Meanwhile, they are virtually deaf, dumb, and blind to it! So, why would I care who they call imbeciles! A spititual world existing, with the bible's creator in it, would, one way or the other utterly destroy your time estimates. So either one of these things is the real answer. I'm with Him on this one!

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The difference between a speck and a region is that a speck is an identificable thing -- a common mistake in understanding cosmology. A region does not "look" like a speck because when you look you see is one great expanse,

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Yes an 'expanse the size of at one time a pepper speck! Was it dark, or light? Or was it invisible like the spirit world?
You offer no clue to the spirit world, or that my ideas of it are unbiblical. On the contrary.

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Or what is wrong between his concept and the observed depth and age of the universe, and transmission of light,..

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Observed and aged by what you can observe. Adding in the unobserved, changes everything, and leaves us with dignity and hope for the future. The key to understanding our universe is to add God and the spirit world in,the missing link, not trade Him for a little region of expansion as big as a speck.

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Yep - it seemed like a big waste of 'time'. Pun definitely intended!

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Your big bang has a lot more time in it to waste! And it seems you are just the man for the job. Thanks for not graceing the thread with your astro projections. The cussing was at least bite sized.