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Denesha
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Message 16 of 22 (98390)
04-07-2004 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Sylas
04-07-2004 6:24 AM


Dear Sylas,
Yes, you fully well understood my idea. Fresh water neighborhood is a very dangerous place. Inacceptable to be a cradle of some terrestrial evolutive trend. You can't coexist where an other top of the foodchain use to swim (crocs). This is also concerning sharks.
Denesha

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Message 17 of 22 (98395)
04-07-2004 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Cynic1
04-07-2004 8:02 AM


Cynic1 writes:
I was operating off of her original book, and her theory sounded interesting. I just wanted to fill in the rest of the tenets of the theory that were missed. I apologize for posting falsified data, I haven't read it for a while.
Hey, no problem. It's good to post questions and comments, and on a web forum it is fine to post material off the cuff. References are good if you have them, but there is nothing wrong with posting ideas from not quite remembered old sources and throwing them into the mix.
I'm a bit brusque with the theory; but that does not carry over to people who bring them up for discussion!
I'll welcome engagement with anyone who would like to defend the model in more detail; it might be illuminating. I won't pull punches on ideas; but they'll be aimed at ideas, not at people who bring them up for us to discuss.
I'll do some research on that oil thing, independent of Morgan, but I doubt I'll find anything. The penguin comparison was hers, by the way, and I almost left it out. I didn't really think the comparison between a human and a bird was relevant, but she seemed to think it was important.
Most (all?) of the aquatic ape stuff appears to have this character; odd and usually strained parallels with aquatic animals. If they were better founded this could be a legitimate basis for a real scientific model; parallels are okay. But the penguin one was amusing... by all means see if you can find something on oil glands.
Best wishes -- Sylas
(Edit to add the first quote. Don't know how it got left off.)
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Message 18 of 22 (98442)
04-07-2004 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by SweeneyTodd
04-07-2004 1:58 AM


I took a semester of Physical Anthropology and read one of Mogans books. It was interesting but unfounded. The Savannah theory from what I remember was that the drastic climatic changes caused the Jungles to recede which in turn opened up enormous grasslands and a new niche to exploit. Early arboreal apes began to frequent these grassland and through the process of mutation and natural selection and tremendous amounts of time, evolved into bipedal apes. I just compressed this theory into a paragraph but thats the jist of it as far as I can remember, Forum members feel free to correct me.

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TechnoCore
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Message 19 of 22 (98444)
04-07-2004 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by SweeneyTodd
04-07-2004 2:45 AM


I saw a documentary on a swedish channel about a year ago about exactly that.
I thought there was one striking thing speaking for it.
Humans must eat several essential organic compounds since our body can't produce them. (Dont remember which now) The apes didn't need to eat those compounds since their bodies did make them.
Those compounds were found in aquatic living animals (food).
Also that apes cannot eat crayfish, shrimps and so on. Something in it that their digestion can't handle, but humans have no problem with it.
My few thoughts on it.

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Message 20 of 22 (98641)
04-08-2004 6:35 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by TechnoCore
04-07-2004 3:02 PM


IIRC, most early homanid finds are on shore-lines (at the time of deposit, not ness. now), and nearly all early human settlements are on either rivers or shorelines. However, shore-dwelling is a whole whack away from being aquatic.

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Denesha
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Message 21 of 22 (98643)
04-08-2004 7:03 AM
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04-08-2004 6:35 AM


Dear Jack,
Yes indeed. Water spots were such scarce as in our days. It's not speculative to consider they were attractive for primitive human forms. For drinking, playing and fishing? But all these activities implicate an immediate use of them. I mean that they were unable to transport water unlikely as the food.
Denesha

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Message 22 of 22 (98755)
04-08-2004 6:14 PM


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