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Author Topic:   AIG has an article up on the nylon-digesting bacteria
Biophysicist
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Message 1 of 27 (98515)
04-07-2004 6:38 PM


As usual, it looks like their arithmetic is correct, given the assumptions they've made, about the open reading frame being very long for this new gene.
However, I believe that both the original plasmid and the result of the mutation have been sequenced, and the nylon-digesting gene has indeed been found to be the result of a frame-shift mutation from a previously useful gene. I think the way the article keeps trying to deny that a frame-shift mutation could have done this is then dishonest. The best argument they make in that line is that there seems to be an extra mechanism to encourage mutations in that region of the plasmid, which is fairly interesting in its own right.
Also, I don't appreciate their argument that this cannot be considered a "gene duplication --> new gene" event. There can be more than one copy of the plasmid in the cell, so you could easily maintain a mixture of the two probabilistically.
Of course, the real problem with the article is the way it keeps referring to evolution as a process simply based on randomness.
Here's a question: do existing genes have a lower probability of having a frame shift mutation generate a stop codon than would be expected given a random sequence of nucleotides with nominal proportions of A, C, T, and G bases? That's one thing I'd like to know before going any further on the subject of AIG's arithmetic. The otehr thing I'll note is that even a chance on the order of 1 in a trillion is not vanishingly small for a population of many billions of bacteria each with multiple copies of the plasmid.

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Biophysicist
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Message 4 of 27 (98547)
04-07-2004 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Brad McFall
04-07-2004 6:54 PM


Re: new hope helps
I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what you're talking about here. Perhaps if you parse your sentences, let me know what the quote is in reference to, and first present the basic point of your argument (hopefully within the scope of the discussion I gave at the start of the thread), I might be able to reply.

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Biophysicist
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Message 17 of 27 (100476)
04-16-2004 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Brad McFall
04-09-2004 12:37 PM


Re: new hope helps
Brad--
Sorry I don't frequent this board to respond in a timely way, but I really can't understand a thing you're saying! Maybe you're lightyears beyond me (all I've got is a couple years on a Ph.D. in biochemistry) but I really can't see where you get your ideas or where they're going. You've got "homework" on quaternions... OK, I use quaternions in some of my programs, but that's about all I can dissect from your posts, and I don't see how it is relevant to the discussion.
Question: are you a creationist posing as an evolutionist/theoretician? If so, it's not gonna work. I've successfully posed as a creationist before, but I have yet to see someone do the opposite.

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