A Beginning on Topic Genesis

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everything breathing

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Plants breathe, Mike. They take in carbon dioxide and churn out oxygen. They just don't use lungs.

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after everything not on the ark had been killed

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everything breathing remember,it doesn't mention plants .

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As has been mentioned, plants breathe.But there's a more difficult problem: Being submerged for 40 days (or was it 150? The Bible contradicts itself on this point.)Even if we ignore the point that plants breathe, there is the problem that an olive tree cannot survive being underwater for that long. So how on earth did the olive tree manage to survive the flood? While it is true that the Bible does not specifically state that the plants died, there is no way they could have survived.------------------
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'But there's a more difficult problem: Being submerged for 40 days (or was it 150? The Bible contradicts itself on this point.)''all in whose nostrils was the breath of life'
do plants have nostrils, and do they have blood ,because life is in the blood.And 150 days was the flood PREVAILING but 40 days of rain, get your facts straight!

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how do you know if it was living

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Because I checked the Hebrew text. The word used means something like 'plucked' or 'torn off violently.' This strongly implies that it came from a living tree. One doesn't need to tear off dead leaves. They fall off on there own.Also, if it were not from a living tree, then that leaf had been dead and floating on an ocean for six months or so. Got any idea what that does to leaves?

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and if it was then the real question is how long does a small olive take to grow

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Check up on olive cultivation. Olives are stubborn, picky trees. Of thousands of seeds, maybe a couple will sprout-- and this is normal, not after a global catastrophe.

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personally i dont know but there was definately a six month gap as message 26 says.

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You don't know? Or there was definitely a gap?According to the Bible, there was a gap of 3.5 to 4 months. Assuming these to be the months still used in the Jewish calender, each was slightly shorter than one of our months. Now, ever tried to grow a tree from seed?------------------
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do plants have nostrils

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Plants don't need nostrils to breathe. Plants respire through tiny holes in there 'skin.' School of Integrative Biology | University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

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and do they have blood ,because life is in the blood.

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So, plants are not alive? Bacteria have no blood either. Are they alive? Insects don't really have blood either. Are they alive?------------------
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Double post... whooopsie![This message has been edited by John, 07-16-2003]

So, tell me, if the entire planet was submerged in
salt water (it would have to have been because all the
seas would merge) for 150 days, to the level of the highest
mountain ... what makes you think that any plants could have
survived?Beyond sea-weed I guess.If I over-water my olive tree all the leaves start to drop off,
if I under-water it ... all the leaves start to drop off. If I
shake it hard ... all the leaves start to drop off.And if everything that had nostrils died in the flood, execpt what
was on the ark ... what about whales and dolphins? The blow-hole
is a kind of nostril isn't it?

Gen 8:9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters [were] on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.Gen 8:10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;Gen 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth [was] an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.How do you think a dove can pluck-off an olive leaf from a dead
tree?

But besides, even if it were a floating dead leaf, how would have have signified to Noah that it's time to disembark? Wasn't the message of the olive-leaf return the repopulation of the earth's surface?
There weren't termites on the ark, were there?

Termites? Sure were. But they had to wear muzzles.

I found a good site on this topic, but don't remember where. A suggestion was made that the class of animals were on the ark leaving room for the evolution of the termite as a species post flood.As for the olive branch:The Fig Tree Withersmat21:18 Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.
20When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree wither so quickly?" they asked.
21Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done.The debate is not over whether an olive branch can survive 40 or 150 days at sea but rather whether a deity exists t can warp time. Maybe this thread could evolve to God's timing.