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Author Topic:   RESURRECTION : THE EVIDENCE (+ Apostolic Martyrdom considerations)
xandrezz
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Message 226 of 233 (98234)
04-06-2004 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by PaulK
03-29-2004 6:33 PM


Re: What does Dr. Scott actually teach about the Resurrection?
Now, today is Passover. Today I'm making the time to address the very point of this forum and its standstill (WILLOWTREE's been 'unhappy' under his shady agenda; yet, thank you others for showing a welcome to and interest in my maiden contribution, but withhold the snideness, I don't mind honest doubt): Q: What day was Passover in that year, month and day, that a certain Jesus was crucified--if he lived, was the son of [a] god, or that Passover has nothing or everything to do with truth . . . does anybody come out of any grave?
I do admit I haven't reviewed the bulk of the preceding 222 installments, so I'm missing some pre-reqs, too!
I will go on some assumptions of my own, that you all have: 1) a SOURCE other than a Catholic Encyclopedia is the basis for determining this particular day; an astronomically projected reference is a start; 2) a basic familiarity with the all the Hebraic Feast Days (set times); 3) one single verse related to that only Passover in [circa] 33 AD; 4) we'll start with the verse that Jesus was crucified "the day before the Sabbath."
Moreover, any study with the Pyramid (just no pyramidal maniac), Stonehenge, and/or the Deckons of the sky and a real appreciation for the difference between primary and secondary witnesses/sources will really help drive this nail into the tree!
If you go into any practicing Jewish home today, especially before sundown, they are all in some sort of activity prepering their home for the next feast: Unleavened Bread, in a white tornado of sorts, to rid every speck of impurity, uncleanliness and soil. This feast is a high Sabbath: a special Sabbath for this holy day that follows the previous day's holiness; then come the end of the week will be the weekly Sabbath—Shebat Shalom!--Saturday as others know it (the Irish National Holiday and the day before the sabbath to the 'Mon-to-Fri-nine-to-five'ers'). The day before this Saturday is the weekly holy day to Islam and so-called Good Friday: the annual holy day for Non-Protestants and others who are glad to get the afternoon off.
Good Frailia, and its fishy goddess, is the ancient nomenclature (many gave up crying for Tammuz long before the forty days were up, more did not—still!). Frailia, Ishtar, Ashtoreth, Isis, Diana, Aphrodite, Baelti, Miadomina/Madonna are all alias for Samairama, Nimrod’s slut of a wife: ‘his lady.’ This is common knowledge to students of Babylonian Mystery religions, including the Pope.
There’s motive to skew the controlling history of this event, as well as the motive to perpetuate it for financial reasons since day one until the now. A contestant for power in a religious-societal frame knows how to market, sell and spin whatever it takes to rake in the numbers—but what if you’re a real devil? There is a contest going-on for the minds of men, here and now, in this argument, in institutions of tradition, and in the eternal court, where one is telling the truth and one is lying. )
An excerpt:
. . .Now, the reason that I do this every Easter is I try to demonstrate that you don't have to park your brains at the door of the church when you come in.
"Faith cometh by hearing, hearing by the word of God." You don't just make people believe, but if you expose yourself to evidence, something happens inside and there will be a psychological reaction. My quarrel with people who deny the resurrection and live a life style that pays no attention to it, is that I can ask them 15 questions and find they haven't spent 15 hours of their life looking at it. (ADMIT IT!)
If this is true, this is the center of the universe. If this is true, this is the central fact of history. You have to be a fool among all fools of mankind to not think it's worth at least 30 hours of study in your whole life. But there are many intelligent people in the world who have looked and come away convinced. That's why I am doing this.
Dr.Gene Scott
{Hey! Make a reservation, if you can be in the LA area THIS Sunday and hear the evidence straight from the Doctor’s mouth: the recipe’s always different but the ingredients are always the same from 50+ years of focus since the initial 3 spent mining the nuggets (see DGS.COM)}
It’s like the Supreme Court’s upholding the Miranda Right’s as an irremovable decision, because society has grown so attached to them, that it is too hurtful to reverse it now. (They should likewise say the same—once and for all— about Roe v. Wade.)
The major source for any topic in this discussion is the Bible, which says Jesus was crucified the day before the Sabbath. I another place, for one, it says, which Sabbath (cf. Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, the Gospels and Acts; we’ll do so next time per entry, as well as eventually go through, point for point, through ALL of the evidence that led to the conclusion of the Resurrection—OK?)
Carpe diem!
Xandrezz

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Message 227 of 233 (98336)
04-07-2004 3:31 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by xandrezz
04-06-2004 9:04 PM


Re: What does Dr. Scott actually teach about the Resurrection?
I notice that you don't answer the question. Is Willowtree accurately representing Gene Scott's teachings ?

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xandrezz
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Message 228 of 233 (98427)
04-07-2004 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by PaulK
04-07-2004 3:31 AM


There are many questions I didn't answer after just two postings.
Now that one of the Resurrection message texts has been put on the table, and by reading it, one's own skills of close reading and critical analysis leave each to their own conclusion. You tell me: Did WT accurately represent that teaching?
My quarrel with WT is why wouldn't that person have simply let others see a text and have them experience it for themself, for one? That text was from a one hour presentation; sometimes the Resurrection teaching is a two hour session or over a three week treatment; its original form was in six volumes.
I don't like it, when someone discusses another's work (by withholding it) without a previous, direct exposure to their knowledge, except in reference. Of course, a simple search of Dr. Gene Scott on the web would have led readers to that direct source. My answer to the question of the accuracy of WT is, in a word, YES! My opinion of WT's ethics is, in a word, shady; that person's treatment of Xandrezz for stepping with that info was pure ass-holiness.

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 229 of 233 (98480)
04-07-2004 5:02 PM


I will not be participating in this topic any longer. I asked Xandrezz for some specific help and he agreed. In reality this person went on to completely decieve me by posting material contrary to what we agreed on.
Topic originators are supposed to do the arguing. I could of posted the Resurrection message myself. This person is only interested in a personal crusade to show everyone in his world how he supposedly respects Dr. Scott more than anyone else.
To the glee of my opponents I have been stabbed in the back by a theist. With friends like Xandrexx who needs enemies.
It is downright shameful to see this person inviting strangers to Dr. Scott's church; praying for them; and other rookie nonsense that theist newcomers do in this forum. I remember what Brian said to Phatboy when he prayed for him. I totally agree with the righteous anger of Brian on that specific issue.
Words cannot describe the horror I feel as I write this post. Words cannot accurately convey what a worthless traitor Xandrezz is, a person who would never even know about this forum unless I told him.
I wonder what Dr. Scott would say about a person who betrays another in front of strangers, and all for what ?
Xandrexx you are in danger of crossing the line of publicly violating Dr. Scott's privacy/security. I never in my worst nightmare envisioned how dumb you actually are.
And if any Admin wants to ring me up for attacking the person then go right ahead as I will not be retracting a thing.
[This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 04-07-2004]

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Brian
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Message 230 of 233 (98646)
04-08-2004 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Cold Foreign Object
04-07-2004 5:02 PM


Hi Willow,
To the glee of my opponents I have been stabbed in the back by a theist
I know it is small consolation, but I can assure you that I take no pleasure from this treachery.
I enjoy the debates here, but it is really a bit of escapism for me, a chance to relax and discuss topics that I enjoy. I know we don't agree on very much, but we still respect each other, I can only imagine how devastated you must feel. Don't let this get you down, put it down to experience and keep fighting the good fight.
If I were you I would use this experience in a positive way, use it to spur you on to greater personal goals.
I am going back to bed now, still in a bit of pain, but I have been able to read a few posts today, I really couldn't settle in bed until I let you know that I am not gloating in any way.
Take care, I have no idea when I will be a regular poster again, hopefully it wont be too much longer.
Brian.

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 231 of 233 (98675)
04-08-2004 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by Brian
04-08-2004 8:53 AM


Words cannot describe how I feel about this post of yours. Maybe I am wrong about you lacking Larry Thomas integrity - in fact I am.
Thank You.
Willowtree
P.S.
In previous topics I have quoted Dr.Scott : "Larry Thomas has more integrity in the tip of his little finger than any christian I have ever known".
Now I have come to experience exactly what Dr. Scott means through EvC member Brian.
[This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 04-08-2004]

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nator
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Message 232 of 233 (98804)
04-08-2004 11:00 PM


What I want to know is why we think we know when Jesus was crucified because the Gospels acconts contradict each other.
The first three accounts report the Last Supper as a Passover meal, yet John's account has Jesus being dead before Passover begins.
Which one is it?

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1.61803
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Message 233 of 233 (98937)
04-09-2004 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by nator
04-08-2004 11:00 PM


In addition to that no one can agree on where the enuciation took place, some say Nazareth some say Bethleham. No one can say what day he born. No one can say if Judas died by hanging or was disembowled. The Catholic Church has conceded it is all a divine mystery. I agree. Anyone who claims to know for sure is either a liar or ignorant or both. IMO.

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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