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desdamona
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Message 61 of 162 (99368)
04-12-2004 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by nator
04-11-2004 4:19 PM


Re: YOU GO!!!
Well,I guess you have me all figured out!!!
You may have studied Biology more than I have,and thats your
education. I am not interested in Biology personally,I have my answers from the Bible and I accept the answers that are in it.
DNA started out perfect,man messed up,not God.
So you sought after God with your heart,you prayed and he didn't hear
you,or did he just say "No"?
If your parents didn't give you everything you wanted,why should God?
If your parents did let you have everything you wanted,is that a good parent?
I don't believe over indulgence is a good thing at all!!!
How do you feel that going by one generation human life has increased? I thought every generation was different?
Either way,it gets a little higher,then it gets a little lower,and it keeps doing this through out history,to the present.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1467 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 62 of 162 (99369)
04-12-2004 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by desdamona
04-12-2004 7:54 AM


You do know I'm a christian,right?
And that requires that you reject rational scientific inquiry into the mechanisms of the universe? I don't get it.

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desdamona
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Message 63 of 162 (99370)
04-12-2004 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by mark24
04-12-2004 7:55 AM


Re: YOU GO!!!
I believe it's more than faith when God lets you know he is real!
If satan is alive.it only stands to reason that God is alive too.
I know God is real,and that the bible is the truth because of the power of the holy spirit,amen.
How you are interpreting the Bible would make any preacher Chuckle.
When God reveals himself to people,how can you say it's a lie?
It's better to have faith without seeing,but I have seen Jesus,and I truly believe it.The whole room filled with love.He didn't speak but I knew he said he loved me no matter what I had done,and that I am forgiven.He reached his hand out to me.I knew I was totally forgiven,and I had never felt that kind of love ever!!!!
You can say that I amagined it,but I know that I did not,it happened!!!

Desdamona*

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desdamona
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Message 64 of 162 (99371)
04-12-2004 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by crashfrog
04-12-2004 8:06 AM


So does your science prove there is not ever going to be a global church where all will be forced to go,or be killed?
Does science tell you that a man worse than Hitler coming in the future is false?
Do you believe in U.F.O.'s?
So your faith is really in science. Have you seen the number of Christian scientists that exist today? Staggering!!! There are alot of em'.

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desdamona
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Message 65 of 162 (99374)
04-12-2004 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by NosyNed
04-11-2004 4:03 PM


Re: how does one
How do you know that most christians dis-agree with me?
That is not what I said. I said a certain message board had
problems with my opinions,most don't.
Many christians today don't trust a certain church,or a building anymore.
Please tell me why you said most christians dis agree with me.
Do you mean here on this message board?
Would you like me to leave this message board?
I really don't understand what you are trying to say.
[This message has been edited by desdamona, 04-12-2004]

Desdamona*

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1467 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 66 of 162 (99375)
04-12-2004 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by desdamona
04-12-2004 8:18 AM


So does your science prove there is not ever going to be a global church where all will be forced to go,or be killed?
Does science tell you that a man worse than Hitler coming in the future is false?
Do you believe in U.F.O.'s?
I don't understand where all this is coming from, or what the relevance is to the conversation at hand. What do loony conspiracy theories have to do with the biological sciences?
Have you seen the number of Christian scientists that exist today?
Yeah, there's a bunch. In America they're the majority of scientists in general. Among evolutionary biologists, they still constitute a pretty sizable minority, something like 30-40%.
None of those people have a problem believing in both evolution and God. So why do you?
You seem to have this idea that we're trying to use science to prove to you that God is false. This is simply untrue. All we're trying to prove to you is that evolution is true. Your stance on God shouldn't be affected by that fact.

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Cynic1
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Joined: 03-29-2004


Message 67 of 162 (99376)
04-12-2004 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by desdamona
04-12-2004 8:18 AM


So does your science prove there is not ever going to be a global church where all will be forced to go, or be killed?
If there is ever any evidence of a coming global religion, then science will probably predict it (if you consider sociology a science).
Does science tell you that a man worse than Hitler coming in the future is false?
Define "worse than Hitler." Do you mean a person who caused more deaths, or a person who is more evil? There could certainly be many more people who are much worse than Hitler, but who never achieve the level of power necessary to inflict global pain and suffering. If you mean causing deaths, do you mean numerically, or as a percentage of the population? If you mean evil, please come up with a standard of measurement. After all, some people believe that all sin is equally bad in God's eye.
"Worse" is kind of ambiguous.
Do you believe in U.F.O.'s?
What does this have to do with the price of cheese in China?
So your faith is really in science.
Faith: n. Unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence.
Science: n. Systematized knowledge derived from observation, study, and experimentation carried on in order to determine the nature or principles of what is being studied.
Since science deals with evidence, it cannot be faith. One can have a faith in science only if one does not study, and simply accepts what is told.
Have you seen the number of Christian scientists that exist today? Staggering!!! There are alot of em'.
Staggering numbers of Christian scientists? 0.15% of scientists in relevant fields are creationists. This is a staggering number?

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desdamona
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Message 68 of 162 (99384)
04-12-2004 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by crashfrog
04-12-2004 8:38 AM


Thanks for clearing that up
Thank you very much for clearing this up for me!
I am so happy to know that.
I may not believe in things evolving,or humans and animals evolving,but it's nice to understand finally that you are not trying
to rule God out!
I wish that would have been made more clear before.
Thanks for your honesty,I appreciate that.

Desdamona*

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Coragyps
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Posts: 5553
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002


Message 69 of 162 (99386)
04-12-2004 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by desdamona
04-12-2004 7:51 AM


Re: YOU GO!!!
O.K.,but have you ever found out how big the ark was?
Yes, Des, I've read that story and I've been in discussions on this very forum about that. You can spin the ark story any way you wish, with a cubit being any length you want, and you'll find that the size of Noah's boat was either:
1) too small to hold two/fourteen of all that had the breath of life in its nostrils
or
2) way too big to float for 40/150/300+ days in the flood described in Genesis.

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desdamona
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Message 70 of 162 (99391)
04-12-2004 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Coragyps
04-12-2004 10:13 AM


Re: YOU GO!!!
well,you got your answer,and I have mine.
I believe the bible.Just because not everyone can accept it
that doesn't make it false.
We all see things very differently.
I have noticed that when the bible is taken out of context,people can try to make it mean anything.
You cannot try to join the new covenant with the old covenant,and try to make it all fit together.
The bible also has riddles in it,and it is a book meant to inspire diligent study.
I'm not saying that you purposely do this,but some people appear to.
Like Cain's wife.The bible tells us that Adam and Eve had many sons daughters. Cains wife naturally was his sister. after the world became more populated and full of people,God said that they should marry other people who were not closely related,because the gene pools could no longer support it,and because it was better to marry those not closely related.
Kings were not suppose to hoard up many wives and riches for themselves in Israel,yet we know that King David had many wives,but we also know God didn't tell him to marry so many women,and we also know King David suffered because of it,yet he kept repenting from his heart to God,and God forgave him.
God may test us,but he does not tempt us with "EVIL" as some are in the habit of saying.
God said many things were wrong,but many people did not listen to God,or they had already done things that God said not to do before they were saved.
God doesn't contradict himself in his word,though to some it may look that way at first.
I believe people and creation were made by an inteligent creator,a great artist,the greatest even.I'm certain the earth was much more beautiful in the beginning than it is today.
The God of the Bible is an infinite being not bound by limitations of time,space,knowledge,or anything else.
It always takes greater information to produce information.

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Melchior
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Message 71 of 162 (99392)
04-12-2004 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by desdamona
04-12-2004 11:51 AM


Re: YOU GO!!!
But can you agree that it's resonable (for the sake of the argument, disregard correct/incorrect) to, if you want to make a description of how the world works, observe the world first and then make conclutions based on what we actually see?
It's not a matter of trying to determine the philosophical or religious reasons things are the way they are. It's about making models that describes what we actually see. These models are indeed limited: They can't ever adress WHY things are the way they are and not differently.
Each person can on their own look to their own spirituality to find out which way they want to mix religion with science. But saying that science is wrong because it's not religion is usually a hint that a person hasn't really understood what science is all about.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 72 of 162 (99393)
04-12-2004 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by desdamona
04-12-2004 11:51 AM


Dan Breaks His Silence
quote:
I have noticed that when the bible is taken out of context,people can try to make it mean anything.
Out of curiosity, what exactly is the correct context under which it makes sense for Jesus to be crucified both before and after dinner?

"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

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NosyNed
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Message 73 of 162 (99395)
04-12-2004 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by desdamona
04-12-2004 7:47 AM


dumb Christians?
You probably think christians are ignorant and dumb,and you even imply it.
Well, I know lots of very smart Christians and I'd be surprised if anyone here thinks Christians in general are either ignorant or dumb.
However, we gets lots and lots of evidence here that at some Christians are ignorant about much or all of science even if they are not dumb. We also get ample evidence that a number of Christians are pretty darned dumb when they seem to be unable to read through simple logic.
Individuals are known here only by what they post.

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desdamona
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Message 74 of 162 (99396)
04-12-2004 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Melchior
04-12-2004 11:59 AM


Re: YOU GO!!!
I really don't think I said that science in and of it's self is bad.
There are christians who prove things with science.

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Asgara
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Posts: 1783
From: Wisconsin, USA
Joined: 05-10-2003


Message 75 of 162 (99397)
04-12-2004 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by desdamona
04-12-2004 12:07 PM


Re: YOU GO!!!
There's a mistake right there. No one proves anything with science.

Asgara
"Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"

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