Abiogenesis

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Black: Well, before I start the message I would like to say a couple things. DNAUnion has make quite a lot of attacks on my character. He has repeatedly called me dishonest.

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AbbyLeever: I can sympathies, as a similar experience happened to me.

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Let's get this straight, AbbyLeever, you were the one who attacked me. And I pointed it out at the time.

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AbbyLeever: I have no need to converse with fools who repeat their mistakes.

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DNAunion: Tsk tsk...stooping to personal attacks...already!

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And then in another exchange:

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AbbyLeever: Poor fool.

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DNAunion: Tsk tsk...another personal attack. That makes two from you...zero from me. Let's all keep that in mind, shall we.

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AbbyLeever: That showed me that he was willingly dishonest, ...

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So you have called me not only a fool and a poor fool, but also willingly dishonest. Yet I am the only one who attacks others? How odd.

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AbbyLeever: ... I refuse to reply to any of his posts anymore as a result.

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This is priceless! You've just stated that you won't talk to me, but you obviously have no problem talking about me! Furthermore, you didn't address ANY of the actual points under discussion: your whole post was dedicated to mud slinging.You aren't interested in honest debate, but in trying to attack me... you and Crashfrog have a lot in common.[This message has been edited by DNAunion, 04-11-2004]

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Crashfrog: After all, what would be the point? Attempts to engage you in honest discussion universally result in gibes and insults in lieu of actual exploration of points.

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That's simply not true Crashfrog. I am quite capable of carrying on peaceful, honest debate, and even when I do return fire I still dedicate most of my posts to the actual points being discussed (of course, that's impossible when replying to you because you don't address any of the actual points - you just practice guerilla warfare). That some people completely ignore the actual points I mention and instead focus only on the tit-for-tat posturing - and then only one side of that, as if I am the only one who does it - tells us more about them than it does about me.Now, the problems usually start when someone like Black stuffs words into my mouth - something that you too have done several times in the past at this site and something that Black did in this very thread - or someone like you or AbbyLeever jumps in from the sidelines with nothing but petty little snipes and posts dedicated to mudslinging, or MrHambre accuses me of being a Creationist and also goes further by distorting things to try to pretend such is the case, and so on.If my opponents acted in a fair and honest manner, exchanges would be quite different.Why don't you give it a try? Why don't you let go of the personal grudge you STILL have against me.

AbbyLeever just said a few posts ago:

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AbbyLeever: He [DNAunion] has gone so far as to take out of context quotes from two different posts of mine (separated by a series of other posts and about different things) to give the impression that I have contradicted myself, when in fact there is no such contradiction.

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Well now, let’s all look at the facts. First, AbbyLeever posted this:

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AbbyLeever: I didn't claim that you made errors.

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Then, he made ONLY 1 MORE POST directed to me, where only old points were rehashed - and nowhere in THAT post did AbbyLeever say I had made any errors - then, in the very next response to me AbbyLeever stated:

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AbbyLeever: You are in error. Again.

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Again? Gee, wouldn’t that mean AbbyLeever is claming that I made errors before?Now, AbbyLeever may not have literally stated that I had made errors when he claimed he hadn't, but his second statement surely gives us reason to believe that he did implicitly state that I had.AbbyLeever's attempt here to convince people that I had been, and I quote, willingly dishonest, only goes to show us that HIS honesty might need to be questioned.PS: Note also that I did not say that AbbyLeever had contradicted himself: I just posted his two quotes, without comment. Funny that AbbyLeever himself considers his own two statements to appear to be self-contradictory.PPS: I find this statement by AbbyLeever, in the one post that intervened between the two of interest, quite interesting.

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AbbyLeever: I ... refuse to get into a one-upmanship contest.

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Yeah, right! :-) Go back and look at his posts that followed that one. Gee, no sign there of "one-upmanship" on his part, right?!?![This message has been edited by DNAunion, 04-12-2004]