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funkman
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Message 13 of 79 (99648)
04-13-2004 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by crashfrog
04-13-2004 5:07 AM


How could a copyist error have been permitted in the Lord's Holy Book?
You must remember, crash, that the Bible is only inerrant and infallible in the original Hebrew and Greek in which it was written. Copy errors and loose translations are around because of the infallibility of man, not because God made a mistake when He inspired the men who wrote it.

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funkman
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Message 19 of 79 (99719)
04-13-2004 3:53 PM
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04-13-2004 11:58 AM


For all we know the ones we have now may be more harmonious than the originals
...except that God has promised to preserve His Word. Meaning that it won't get any worse over time. Also implying that it was right the first time, not that it might get better over time.
Also, the 700 or 7000 is technically a contradiction, it may be a copyist error but the two verses contradict each other. It is quite difficult to miscopy Hebrew numbers given that they have no numeral for 'zero'.
True, true. However, take a look at this link: http://www.carm.net/diff/2%20Sam10_18.htm
While Hebrew may not have a numeral for zero, it is plain to see how the characters used to designate numbers in Hebrew could easily be copied in error.

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funkman
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Message 22 of 79 (99730)
04-13-2004 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Cold Foreign Object
04-13-2004 3:51 PM


Let me say this in respect to the alleged omnipotence of God : There is one exception, He cannot create faith. He can provide a basis and create circumstances to extract and test faith but He cannot create the one thing He does not know : If a person will use their freedom to do otherwise to choose to trust Him by faith.
At the risk of sounding harsh, this is heresy. Faith comes from God. Otherwise no one would ever get saved.
Romans 3:11 "There is none that understandeth; there is none that seeketh after God." This clearly says that man in his natural, sinful state does not seek to know God, thus cannot make a choice to trust Him. And even if a man could choose Christ, is not that choice an action, i.e. a work?
Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
But works cannot get us into heaven. It must be faith. But where does that faith come from if it cannot come from us? This verse answers that, too. "... that we might be justified by the faith of Christ," So it is God who gives faith unto salvation to those He chooses to become saved.
What do you think about the doctrine of foreknowledge, predestination, and election?

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funkman
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Message 23 of 79 (99731)
04-13-2004 4:27 PM
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04-13-2004 4:17 PM


Re: a contradiction right here!
tricky, tricky!
The originals do not contain the errors. (of course I take this on faith, since we don't have the originals in our hands today) The copying error happened in the translation, and as I've already said, the translations are not what God has said to be infallible and inerrent, only the originals are.

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