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iano
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Message 1 of 246 (360403)
11-01-2006 10:40 AM


Even the most rabid athiest will accept that God of the Bible could inf fact exist. They would also accept that Heaven and Hell of the Bible could in fact exist (for simplicities sake: Heaven is bliss, Hell ain't)

If you were to die a few minutes from now where do you think God would send you? And why do you think he would send you there.

{Abe: changed "God of the Bible can well exist", to "God of the Bible could in fact exist" and "..Hell of the Bible can exist" to "...Hell of the Bible could in fact exist"

Edited by iano, : No reason given.


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CK
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Message 2 of 246 (360406)
11-01-2006 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by iano
11-01-2006 10:40 AM


quote:
where do you think God (of the Christian bible) would send you?

Well Hell I'd guess (using your understanding of the bible).


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iano
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Message 3 of 246 (360407)
11-01-2006 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by CK
11-01-2006 10:46 AM


Why?

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CK
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Message 4 of 246 (360410)
11-01-2006 10:50 AM
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11-01-2006 10:46 AM


I commit blasphemy regularly, I live in an immoral and impure manner, I don't accept Jesus as my lord and Saviour, I don't believe in sin and therefore don't believe in the power of God to render judgment.

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iano
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Message 5 of 246 (360412)
11-01-2006 10:52 AM
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11-01-2006 10:50 AM


Cheers CK.

Right whose next: where and why there?


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iano
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Message 6 of 246 (360414)
11-01-2006 10:53 AM
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11-01-2006 10:50 AM


Cheers CK.

Right whose next: where and why there?


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Message 7 of 246 (360417)
11-01-2006 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by iano
11-01-2006 10:53 AM


Another view...
I don't normally get into these kind of discussions but I'd go with CK for the same reason IF I accept the OP premises.

Do be aware however, Iano, that my reaction (and I suspect many of us) is exactly the same (and try to stretch and understand it is EXACTLY the same) as if you'd warned us about Santa Claus's good kids and bad kids list. Telling us not to misbehave or the boogy man will get us would produce exactly the same feeling. Mild amusement and a significant concern for your sanity. (just like any suggestion that you think you hear voices would)


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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 8 of 246 (360431)
11-01-2006 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by iano
11-01-2006 10:40 AM


Only atheists go to heaven.
Iano writes:

Even the most rabid athiest will accept that God of the Bible can well exist. They would also accept that Heaven and Hell of the Bible can exist (for simplicities sake: Heaven is bliss, Hell ain't)

If you were to die a few minutes from now where do you think God would send you? And why do you think he would send you there.

One thing that modern science has taught us is that if there is a god, he is an amazingly cleaver and inventive individual. The specters of galaxies, cosmic nebulas, elementary particle interactions, and life on earth as we know it leave us in awe. The suggestion that such a being would want to surround himself for all eternity with mumbling, chanting, genuflecting sycophants is just quite ridiculous. No, he would want to surround himself with bright, questioning, curious people who through their relentless search for knowledge and understanding of the wonders of the universe show their true appreciation for all that this god is capable of. People that challenge and analyze everything that they are told and will not accept doctrinaire and flaccid explanations on face value just because others accept them. People who are driven to think for themselves. Atheists!

This does not mean that the religious are condemned to an eternity in hell. God is far to loving and merciful for that. He has set aside a special place in heaven with a very bright light at the end of a long tunnel and spiritual elevator music that continually fills the air. Here the religious, fallen to their knees in devout supplication, believe that they are perpetually in the presence of the one true god, and all those of different convictions are suffering eternal torment. They are in a state of bliss, and god, having positioned himself as far from them as heaven will allow, is also in a state of bliss as he and his cohort of atheist thinkers parse the infinite possibilities of his universe in enthralling discourse.


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Tusko
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Message 9 of 246 (360439)
11-01-2006 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by iano
11-01-2006 10:40 AM


I think I prefer the idea of a good works Christian god than an "as long as you believe in me you're sorted" kind of a god. Even then I don't know if I do a fraction of the good works required. I certainly don't give all my worldly riches, such as they are, away very often. And I don't tend to lepers or anything. I volunteer at a local school in my lunchtime to play with nursery kids. Thats about it, apart from a couple of direct debits incurred by street chuggers.

If there is a Christian god, I hope that's enough to get me out of an eternity in Hell.


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subbie
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Message 10 of 246 (360441)
11-01-2006 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by iano
11-01-2006 10:40 AM


Ditto what CK and Nosy said.

Here's one for you, mate:

Paraphrasing:

Even the most rabid [Christian] will accept that [Allah] can well exist. They would also accept that Heaven and Hell of the [Q'uran] can exist (for simplicities sake: Heaven is bliss, Hell ain't)

If you were to die a few minutes from now where do you think [Allah] would send you? And why do you think he would send you there.


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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jar
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Message 11 of 246 (360442)
11-01-2006 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by iano
11-01-2006 10:40 AM


only one possible answer that I can see.
If you were to die a few minutes from now where do you think God would send you? And why do you think he would send you there.

Don't know.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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iceage 
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Message 12 of 246 (360452)
11-01-2006 12:38 PM
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11-01-2006 11:43 AM


Re: Only atheists go to heaven.
AiG writes:

One thing that modern science has taught us is that if there is a god, he is an amazingly cleaver and inventive individual. The specters of galaxies, cosmic nebulas, elementary particle interactions, and life on earth as we know it leave us in awe.

Contrast with

Even the most rabid athiest will accept that God of the Bible can well exist. They would also accept that Heaven and Hell of the Bible can exist (for simplicities sake: Heaven is bliss, Hell ain't)

I would say in view of the facts that God is as described in the Bible as zero.

Edited by iceage, : No reason given.


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Message 13 of 246 (360453)
11-01-2006 12:39 PM
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11-01-2006 11:43 AM


Re: Only atheists go to heaven.
duplicate post

Edited by AdminPhat, : duplicate post


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iceage 
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Message 14 of 246 (360454)
11-01-2006 12:40 PM
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11-01-2006 11:43 AM


Re: Only atheists go to heaven.
:eek:

Edited by AdminPhat, : triple post deleted


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Archer Opteryx
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Message 15 of 246 (360458)
11-01-2006 12:50 PM
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11-01-2006 12:09 PM


Going Up? Going Down?
subbie paraphrases the OP:

Even the most rabid [Christian] will accept that [Allah] can well exist. They would also accept that Heaven and Hell of the [Q'uran] can exist (for simplicities sake: Heaven is bliss, Hell ain't)

If you were to die a few minutes from now where do you think [Allah] would send you? And why do you think he would send you there?

An apt analogy. I would like to see a response from Iano.

___


Archer

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